From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Terminology in multi-tty primitives Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87zlies8wo.fsf@xemacs.org> <87iqp0syet.fsf@xemacs.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230704909 25386 80.91.229.12 (31 Dec 2008 06:28:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 31 07:29:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LHuaG-0006TC-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:29:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47069 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LHuZ1-0005am-NM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LHuYx-0005Ye-8E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:15 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LHuYu-0005T5-Ne for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60715 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LHuYu-0005SY-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:12 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:10692) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LHuYr-0005AG-VS; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:10 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAL+fWklLd+aG/2dsb2JhbACBbMsYhkSBaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,306,1228107600"; d="scan'208";a="31638500" Original-Received: from 75-119-230-134.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.230.134]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 31 Dec 2008 01:28:08 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F25C38CF4; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:08 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87iqp0syet.fsf@xemacs.org> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:31:54 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107448 Archived-At: > I don't care what the interface is called. But my feeling is that the > primary UI operation here is "withdrawing a frame", and that whether > the process gets STOPed or not is an implementation detail. For > example, in a terminal-based emacs you could (in theory) do We all agree. What you're describing is a command: the "consistent behavior" is user-level behavior, not Lisp-level behavior. So we do have the suspend-frame command for that purpose. But we're here talking about whether such a *function* would make sense and how. Since the implementation of the concept of "suspend" is wildly different in those different cases, the Lisp behavior will be quite different as well, making it more difficult (and/or less useful) to unify it. Stefan