From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.python-mode Subject: Re: [Python-mode] python.el cleanup Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:52:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <86ipv28xk5.fsf@gmail.com> <86pqp971rz.fsf@gmail.com> <4D9339C3.7070104@online.de> <4D98B236.40906@gmail.com> <4D98C290.60205@online.de> <20110404112112.5ddcc12b@neurotica.wooz.org> <4D9AB63F.6030606@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1302011561 23419 80.91.229.12 (5 Apr 2011 13:52:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Christoph , Barry Warsaw , python-mode@python.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 05 15:52:34 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q76gL-0001Qn-Rm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:52:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43576 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q76gL-0005gp-HV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:52:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56404 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q76gG-0005gT-6p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:52:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q76gB-0006nI-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:52:28 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:32280 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q76gA-0006my-UJ; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:52:22 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAGcdm01FpZU1/2dsb2JhbAAvpTl4iHm6L4VrBIwDikM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,304,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="103269786" Original-Received: from 69-165-149-53.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.149.53]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 05 Apr 2011 09:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A9B0858C65; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:52:21 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4D9AB63F.6030606@online.de> ("Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hle?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?r=22's?= message of "Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:27:11 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.183 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:138177 gmane.emacs.python-mode:723 Archived-At: Please don't reply on this list. Stefan >>>>> "Andreas" =3D=3D Andreas R=F6hler writes: > Am 05.04.2011 00:24, schrieb Glenn Morris: >> Stefan Monnier wrote: >>=20 >>> The problem was with some of the other contributors, from what I rememb= er. >>=20 >> For example, Andreas Roehler has issues with copyright assignments: >>=20 >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00029.html >>=20 >>=20 > So it is. My views didn't change since. >> Besides that, in 2008 an attempt was made to make a list of all the >> contributors (it's presumably out-of-date now). The next step would be >> for someone to figure out how much each person wrote. > Computing is about ideas, not about counting code-lines. > Even if a developer noticed a bug at the other side, which helped him to > choose the right alternative, the other part is involved. Copyright in > computing is such a nonsense, it's a shame pretending it. > But let's come to some mistakes more neareby: > - Stating someone signed the copyright-papers or not doesn't belong into = the > comment section of a code-file. That why I coming upon and the only reason > so far. > - The problems of Emacs' Python edits don't result from the existence of = two > different development branches, where _all_ developers have some merits of > every side, as pointed at above. The problems result rather from a lack of > imagination what's needed to have an environment as state of the art. > So please, let's not jump into that eternal copyright loop. Let's go on > bug-fixing and maybe building the environment afterwards. > Cheers > Andreas > -- > https://code.launchpad.net/~a-roehler/python-mode/python-mode-components > https://code.launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/ >>=20 >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg02156.html >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg02234.html >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg02201.html >>=20 >> and related messages. >>=20