From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:35:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <87tx19rd1b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20141205215138.GF7784@thyrsus.com> <54823617.4000406@cs.ucla.edu> <83k325195l.fsf@gnu.org> <5482D94B.2070102@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417905354 7348 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 22:35:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 22:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 23:35:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxNx3-000200-TI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:35:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55797 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxNx3-00056j-Bk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:35:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37697) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxNwe-00055m-G0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:35:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxNwW-0004Iy-RB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:35:20 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:29058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxNwO-0003rv-Ip; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:35:04 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbDoJ5g2CFWsUdBAICgSQXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEHAQEBAR6QLUIHhEgFiwGkLoF4gzteIYE2gUEBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AjwPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbDoJ5g2CFWsUdBAICgSQXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEHAQEBAR6QLUIHhEgFiwGkLoF4gzteIYE2gUEBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="99729579" Original-Received: from 76-10-164-234.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.164.234]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 06 Dec 2014 17:35:04 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E1FC685DF; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:35:03 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <5482D94B.2070102@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Sat, 06 Dec 2014 02:24:11 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179219 Archived-At: > Anyway, no matter what the reason for not upgrading, in the meantime we're > stuck with old-technology Texinfo, and this is partly why it might be a good > idea to think about changing. FWIW, while I don't hold Texinfo very dearly in my heart, I have some real problems with labeling it as nothing else than "old-technology". There are newer tools, of course, but it's not like they're so much incredibly better that Texinfo is just "old-technology". CVS is old-technology. I could even agree that Emacs is old-technology (with its perks, obviously), but I don't see what so fundamentally different between Texinfo and newer formats to justify such a characterization. Stefan