From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:30:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <87tx19rd1b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20141205215138.GF7784@thyrsus.com> <54823617.4000406@cs.ucla.edu> <83k325195l.fsf@gnu.org> <5482D94B.2070102@cs.ucla.edu> <5484FF31.5010808@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418005893 13490 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 02:31:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 02:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 03:31:25 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxo6f-0003Xt-Dp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 03:31:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59833 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxo6f-0000hp-1V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:31:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxo6U-0000hW-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:31:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxo6N-0004rV-30 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:31:14 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:2080) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xxo6E-0004qu-Ta; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:30:58 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwPAOwQflRFxLi7/2dsb2JhbABbDoJ5g2CFWsUdBAICgSQXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEHAQEBAR6QbweESAWLAZIxjHSFCYF4gzteIYJ3AQEB X-IPAS-Result: AjwPAOwQflRFxLi7/2dsb2JhbABbDoJ5g2CFWsUdBAICgSQXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEHAQEBAR6QbweESAWLAZIxjHSFCYF4gzteIYJ3AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="99821607" Original-Received: from 69-196-184-187.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.184.187]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Dec 2014 21:30:58 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0F4C99896; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 21:30:58 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <5484FF31.5010808@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Sun, 07 Dec 2014 17:30:25 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179352 Archived-At: > Texinfo 5 uses newer technology and supports Unicode characters etc., but is > wwwwaaaaayyyyyyy toooo ssllloooooowwww, so slow that it routinely hinders me > (and no doubt others) from improving the Emacs documentation. Indeed the slowdown (factor 100 IIRC last time I measured it) is a serious problem. > Although I and others have reported the performance bug to the Texinfo > maintainers, they've made it clear that the problem is not likely to be > fixed any time soon. I think I understand why they don't want to fix the processing speed. But we should still push them to provide workarounds. "Separate compilation" would solve this problem: the whole Elisp manual is enormous, but if we could update the manual by only processing those files which have changed, then I think the speed of Texinfo-5's processing would become acceptable. Stefan