From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please explain the FSF copyright assignment thing Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:42:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87b29866-51a6-05b5-c08f-94201bce3d89@online.de> <25b4532b-b2db-e813-7c4c-ee75770e98d6@cs.ucla.edu> <76369283-85b0-779d-0418-457abfd01db3@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1500399783 15060 195.159.176.226 (18 Jul 2017 17:43:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:43:03 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 18 19:42:59 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dXWWR-0003ey-3s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:42:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57987 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dXWWW-0002V2-I6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47149) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dXWVz-0002Uj-RA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:42:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dXWVw-0004wI-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:42:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=49997 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dXWVw-0004vx-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:42:28 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dXWVh-0001Ok-LR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:42:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 19 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:HVsJosIZBaDcvev1T8avjqXrLMI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216853 Archived-At: >> http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-05-cisco-settlement.html > Seems I just dislike the idea of enforced freedom Enforced freedom? nobody there was obligated to benefit from freedom. What was enforced was the obligation for Cisco to transfer to their clients the freedom they decided to enjoy. In my mind, the above is one of the clearest examples of the benefit of GPL. Without this, I wouldn't have been able to use OpenWRT on my home router for so many years (and other third party firmwares before that), and I likely wouldn't use BananaPis for my home servers (made possible by the obligation of Allwinner to distribute the source code of their port of the Linux kernel). [ Not sure what I'd use instead of BananaPis, all other alternatives seem to use up a lot more power or to lack the reliability of SATA. ] Stefan