From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:23:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <444779489.8504194.1534538988289.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <444779489.8504194.1534538988289@mail.yahoo.com> <83sh3cfb3t.fsf@gnu.org> <87sh36inql.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535301154 25693 195.159.176.226 (26 Aug 2018 16:32:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 16:32:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 26 18:32:30 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxxl-0006ZF-OA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:32:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49684 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxzs-0000Iy-45 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:34:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxx1-00072h-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:31:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxpD-0006AI-Nj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:23:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=35390 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxpD-0005xx-FD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:23:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ftxn4-000126-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:21:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:RP5A2NYHgEqOsoPzehxDEKz7Sg0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:228938 Archived-At: > How about getting new users in the first place? Ergus is right that > Emacs is not the default editor --- I always have to explicitly install > it and it always annoys me that it isn't installed by default for any of > Centos, Debian, Gentoo, Fedora. Ubuntu and arch probably don't have a > good default, either. Instead, you always need to guess which editor > might be installed unless you installed one, and that is usually at > least vi, which I don't get along with. AFAIK even `vi` is not installed by default. IOW, by default, there is basically no text editor installed. And while I also find it annoying I think it makes a lot of sense: the majority of computer users don't even know what is a text editor, nor would they know what to do with one. Stefan