From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:55:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87364wxlec.fsf@gnus.org> <87imdsgmlw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871rkfhkhc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <875z9p5hnc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <20200812064201.GA12602@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20129"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 12 17:56:19 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k5t6x-00057X-0c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:56:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37448 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k5t6w-0000UO-2W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:56:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33006) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k5t6Q-0008UX-Nj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:55:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:28679) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k5t6O-0006Mf-JA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:55:46 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D58BB80608; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9A95F80292; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:55:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1597247740; bh=asQv28p0yjGagQZF4wxYkqbTNRtcDNDxwiR3b24BNYc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=TrXTnfCmOvswbaXMOMeXJAXmBQ4JRArmnc4RZXaYkoTvepL4We3Sg1MToXac829LC H9Cp0XxqMdKpdLM9o/RBNqhIszGCkdgv4APG79a+buE8MvP0ubaI24MWGiZqKLZsiX BquNOcQzJU18FyZKGIndGYqUXfnGs2/sos/aQpqEZQ3XjXh1+IhcqD2cMght4X08Nd I0bL9eJcz+V/hjQf9QOtEZmuZ4gM7RHCPuYEnxVuFd00WSlDhB0BK9MAKXWtasDE/K yj6i5pPTU7FvDb4bj9oLYY3DFtBmAT5Q0VdkWeS7YIF2ZBFcI/1uT8GIhpeBICYPnA uoT0fNO1yQUgw== Original-Received: from milanesa (unknown [45.72.246.108]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BFE9120376; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:55:40 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:11:01 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/12 11:55:43 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253693 Archived-At: > That was an interesting offer! On paper that sounds awesome, question is > how long-lasting they will be. Second - who the heck they are? Being > born in a communist/socialist country I am a bit suspect of their > left-rhetorics and anonymous "collective". I do share their ideas, > sentiments and values, but they are completely anoynomous and thus > non-transparent, so how can I trust them? Indeed, you can't be very sure of anything in this respect, except that you know for sure that Google will do its best to monetize your data. > Actually I wrote paragraph about my opinion on how essential is for > communication to be free for a democracy to thrive, I think the real threat is centralization of power. While it may turn out that those small providers are in reality all secretly under the control of Google, it's sufficiently unlikely IMO. > You might be correct. I haven't really being looking around myself. > But I would still prefer to help monetary some organisation I trust > (like FSF/GNU). ;-) >>> Skickat fr=E5n min Samsung Galaxy-smartphone. >> Hey, your phone is posting ads here! Tell him to behave ;-) >> Cheers >> - tom=E1s > Interesting how information is interpretted. I would rather say this was > a pure statement from my phone rather then an ad: it didn't say - go by > me! :-). (I was at the go, didn't have access to Emacs :-)). The presence of the brand name there is very clearly present for advertisement reasons. Most of advertisement focuses on name-recognition, rather than on directly getting you to buy something. Stefan