From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: splash-screen Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 13:50:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29817"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Nicolas P. 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Rougier's message of "Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:50:55 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/20 13:50:33 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256262 Archived-At: > For purely aesthetic reasons, I would prefer to stick with no link on the > bottom part. Also, I'm not sure to understand the "copyleft" you > mention. I took the two lines at the bottom from the "about-emacs" > startup screen. I think Emacs should emphasize the fact that it's Free rather than gratis and the underlying ideas of freedom and the copyleft technique to enforce it. >> - We currently have a "GNU/Linux" hyperlink which it would be good to >> preserve within the last 2-3 lines. > I'm not sure what your refer to (I don't see such link on the default > startup page). Sorry, I looked at the "About Emacs" page rather than the startup page (which I have disabled in my .emacs). >> - I think many first time users may not want "help" at first, so maybe >> beside "help" we should advertize a "config wizard" or a "choose your >> favorite UI" which would get them to some simple customization page, >> where I'd expect choices like "traditional Emacs UI" or "emulate >> system UI". > Currently, the "C-h" redirects to the about-emacs where a new user would > find supplementary information (as he currently does). But the average users won't necessarily know it and they'll (rightfully) think "an editor shouldn't be so complex that I'd require help right from the start" so they won't do C-h and won't get to see that extra info. Stefan