From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package-quickstart and info: Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 18:16:15 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20210107211432.ADCC7C21F3D@raman-glaptop.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23940"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "T.V Raman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 00:18:30 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxeY2-00068N-8m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 00:18:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46046 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxeY1-0004qO-99 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 18:18:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58288) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxeW3-00035b-An for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 18:16:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:39662) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxeVw-0006Ni-5g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 18:16:26 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CFA8A441262; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 18:16:18 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9463244107A; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 18:16:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1610061377; bh=ZC5qY4p8oHSA0i11il5sfIMjB1qdCJmRgZja/kZD8OI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fqyAZEXk2MCLHb3CUDGtR5eZl/NTG6IQV/L7jV5FRMXnECIBd59UHIFM67slooGMf pwrUD9nau+hzAdL2LKdWSPI/GmCNTDkdx+ejyXcx17wlUUiS/QXNsSOhA1xRMjLUUD Vn+XCicbX+Udd5lOFUyve/Q8tqlbGPOfJabSzGL7OIKt0lB98OGsjxLwKVOV703WfE aYkTVfkKj4zaUCuObadGUpo/rO5aR5i/YfGaaV5FjS7jpSTWiX8WhBzBObYCVks82G 3YlFtSntgq/R29TEoKmoPMjSOY+v1mxAUYXU6RCVdZXEfofmYoT6gtnlJQdZvKvyG1 YPgVGUmVvxk6w== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.224.181]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA486120285; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 18:16:16 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20210107211432.ADCC7C21F3D@raman-glaptop.localdomain> (T. V. Raman's message of "Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:14:32 -0800 (PST)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262713 Archived-At: > While debugging something else with force-load-messages set to t, I > noticed that loading package-quickstart.el loads info -- is there a > good reason for this? IIRC when a package includes an Info manual, we load `info` before modifying the `Info-directory-list`. This could be improved to avoid loading `info`. The place where this happens in the non-quickstart case is `package-activate-1` and in `package-quickstart-refresh` you can see similar code being added to the quickstart file. IIRC the problem is that depending on whether `info-initialize` has already been called or not, we need to add the directory either to `Info-directory-list` or to `Info-default-directory-list`. Patches welcome (and if you need more info about the precise relationship between those two Info*directory-list vars, I think Eli is the one who knows all about it). Stefan