From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:45:21 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204746344 10161 80.91.229.12 (5 Mar 2008 19:45:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:45:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 05 20:46:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JWzZ1-0001YE-Hd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:46:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JWzYU-000525-5X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:45:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JWzYK-0004zB-PB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:45:24 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JWzYJ-0004yF-13 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:45:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JWzYI-0004yB-Rw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:45:22 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JWzYI-00014k-EY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:45:22 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAEaHzkfO+LKX/2dsb2JhbACsL4EC X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,451,1199682000"; d="scan'208";a="15629375" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2008 14:45:21 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.178.151]) by smtp.pppoe.ca (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id LWY72821; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:45:21 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 887AE816B; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:45:21 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:37:33 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91407 Archived-At: > It would be interesting to know the new maintainers opinion on changing > some of the current default settings. I don't necessarily have the same preferences as Richard, so there might be some defaults which I may be willing to consider changing, but I tend to agree with David that many of the features provided in Emacs are not turned on by default mostly because they're not polished enough. > - transient-mark, I'd like to make transient-mark-mode enabled by default, although the details of how to do it aren't clear yet. The way I see it happen: provide a new setting of transient-mark-mode which makes all mark-* commands enable temporary-transient-mark-mode. In most cases, the only difference between this and plain old transient-mark-mode will be the need to use C-SPC C-SPC rather than C-SPC, and C-u C-x C-x rather than C-x C-x. > selection with Shift-arrow keys Not sure about this one. I've been using cua-selection-mode (well, enabling rather than using, really) for a little while now and I basically don't notice it, so it looks like it might be worth enabling. But I think for it to be enabled by default, we may want to integrate it more tightly so that it doesn't need post-command-hook, for example. > - show-paren-mode on by default Never liked it. Is it really that popular? > - iswitchb-mode on by default I'd rather improve the general completion mechanism, than only improve it for buffer selection. > - bind ibuffer to C-x C-b See other email. > - hide-ifdef-mode on by default for C/C++/objc What does it provide by default (other than hiding #if 0...#endif)? Last I checked I got the impression that this package requires configuration to be useful, so enabling it by default doesn't help much. Did I miss something? > - flyspell-mode on by default for text-mode I indeed have it on in text-mode (and programming modes as well, as a matter of fact), but I haven't given any thought to enabling it by default. I think it might be a bit too brittle currently to be enabled by default: it usually works just fine, but I've had problems with it every once in a while. Stefan