From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 14:59:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <5jr6clncn8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87od7p22dw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209841234 11246 80.91.229.12 (3 May 2008 19:00:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 03 21:01:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JsMyV-0005HW-5F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:00:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42713 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsMxY-0000mJ-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:59:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsMxT-0000ir-9e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:59:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsMxL-0000cM-Fn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47465 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsMxL-0000cA-CY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:59:35 -0400 Original-Received: from 206-248-152-33.dsl.teksavvy.com ([206.248.152.33] helo=ceviche.home) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JsMxK-0008Oe-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:59:35 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 39B03B40F3; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:59:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu's message of "Sat, 03 May 2008 18:49:01 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Greylist: delayed 57569 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:59:34 EDT X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96382 Archived-At: >>> Is it planned to merge Cocoa port (emacs-app.sf.net) into the trunk for >>> this freeze? Since Carbon port is dead, if Cocoa not merged, there will >>> be no support of MacOSX 10.5 in trunk (IIRC trunk cannot build with X on >>> 10.5). >>> >>> I seem to recall that the Cocoa port also works with GNUstep. >>> Is that correct? >> Sure as said in its home site (http://emacs-app.sf.net): >> ,---- >> | NeXT/OpenStep Emacs for GNUstep and OS X >> | >> | This is a port of the latest GNU Emacs source to the OpenStep (or >> | NeXTstep) APIs, as implemented by Cocoa on OS X as well as the GNUstep >> | open source project. >> `---- > GNUstep is currently one of CANNOT_DUMP platforms, and we have to make > sure if Emacs 23 works on such platforms. Especially, preloading of > term/*-win.el, which was introduced by multi-tty, might cause some > problem on such platforms if it was changed by necessity. Otherwise, > the preloading was actually unnecessary for multi-tty and it was > slipped into the unrelated multi-tty merger. I haven't been able to run the GNUstep version yet myself (it compiles by crashes at the very first call to ObjC code), but supposedly someone did get it to run on a Debian machine (mine's also Debian, for what it's worth). This said, we need to figure out how to do the dump for GNUstep in any case. As for the multi-tty preloading of win-*, I don't think it's a problem for CANNOT_DUMP: IIUC the reason for this change is that those win-* files prefer to be loaded "early" (e.g. before the .emacs file). Stefan