From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87wsje37rg.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1li7xy.fsf@saeurebad.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216867500 2966 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 02:45:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Johannes Weiner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 04:45:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLqpt-0000Fv-37 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:45:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59787 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLqoz-0006h8-MX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLqov-0006gw-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLqot-0006gK-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54330 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLqot-0006gH-GH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:43 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:27938 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLqol-0002SO-W0; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:36 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8EAI2Jh0hFxIYw/2dsb2JhbACBWrB3gX0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,242,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="24738453" Original-Received: from 69-196-134-48.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.134.48]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2008 22:44:34 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id BA4517F1C; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <871w1li7xy.fsf@saeurebad.de> (Johannes Weiner's message of "Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:40:57 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101361 Archived-At: > Quoting wikipedia: > An operating system (commonly abbreviated OS and O/S) is the software > component of a computer system that is responsible for the management > and coordination of activities and the sharing of the resources of the > computer. The operating system acts as a host for application programs > that are run on the machine. That's sufficiently vague to mean either a kernel or a whole OS. E.g. X11 would probably fall into this description, as would a DNS caching proxy, the /sbin/init program, or even gdm, network-manager, gnome-power-manager, nfsd, ... > So when I said `fully-functioning operating system' I did not mention > userspace at all. In most circumstances, nowadays, a kernel is a very far cry from a "fully functioning operating system". The Linux kernel is no exception here. Stefan