From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:09:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83prb4lwzm.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249870272 10996 80.91.229.12 (10 Aug 2009 02:11:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xah@xahlee.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 10 04:11:04 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MaKLo-0002ip-4n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:11:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34983 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaKLm-0001WS-QB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaKKf-00017Q-42 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:09:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaKKZ-000150-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:09:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48313 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaKKY-00014q-GF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:09:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:14840) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaKKW-0005jM-25; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:09:44 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAFYef0pFxL8W/2dsb2JhbACBUcpnhBgFhzg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,350,1246852800"; d="scan'208";a="43225119" Original-Received: from 69-196-191-22.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.191.22]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2009 22:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7DB1BB454F; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:09:42 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83prb4lwzm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:26:21 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113917 Archived-At: >> > * The Time, Battery, are of little use. Their functionality are >> > provided by the OS's tool bar. Again, for geeks who need it, it is >> > easy to call the command by =E2=80=9CM-x=E2=80=9D. >> I'd tend to agree. > These settings are already in a second-level menu, so how can they > possibly bother anyone? As long as that menu is small enough, it might be OK to keep it, but that doesn't mean it's useful. > When I work on a laptop, I have the Battery display on all the time, Great. I have global-reveal-mode ON all the time. So by that same argument we should make it available from the menu. > because Emacs lets me customize that display in ways most OSes never > will. We're not talking about eliminating the battery display. Only about whether or not it should be present in the menu. > As for Time, why should I move my eyes to the system's display, > somewhere on the fringes of the screen, just to know what time it is? Same argument. You're arguing against the elimination of the feature, but that's not what we're talking about. >> But I also do not remember why they were added > Mainly to advertise these features. Many users don't know Emacs > has them. Are they sufficiently important to warrant advertisement? Are people going to prefer Emacs over something else because it can display the time and battery status? Stefan