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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, rudalics@gmx.at, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: 27.0.50: How can I test a buffer-local window-configuration-change-hook in batch mode?
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 11:59:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvftjfcxsu.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837e4rvg9s.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 26 Oct 2019 15:32:31 +0300")

>> >> I don't think long lines pose any performance problems in buffers
>> >> which are never displayed
>> > You are wrong: it will cause problems in any function that uses the
>> > display code, even if nothing is displayed.  For example,
>> > vertical-motion, next-line, posn-at-point, etc. all use the display
>> > code internally.
>> In theory you're right.  But I think in practice "buffers that aren't
>> displayed" is a pretty good approximation of "so-long won't help".
> I don't understand how practice makes theory unimportant in this case.
> There's a leap in your logic that I couldn't follow.

The `so-long` package is a trade-off: it has advantages (supposedly
avoids some nasty slowdowns) and disadvantages (it works by disabling
some features).

It's virtually impossible to determine reliably when it's better to use
so-long and when it's better not to.  So theory is not super relevant
compared to actual practical experience.

I don't have an opinion on whether so-long should (by default) only be
enabled in buffers that are displayed, but it intuitively sound like
a potentially good heuristic to minimize the risk of breaking stuff.

>> I missed something: which new hook would be needed?
> This sub-thread was in response to Martin's question here:
>   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2019-10/msg01013.html

Ah, I see.  I thought (and still think) it was just a misunderstanding
on Martin's part, not an actual need (at least Phil didn't express
a need for it).

[ Or maybe this particular case just reminded Martin of other cases
  where such a hook could have been handy.  ]


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-26 15:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-24 10:50 27.0.50: How can I test a buffer-local window-configuration-change-hook in batch mode? Phil Sainty
2019-10-24 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-24 23:53   ` Phil Sainty
2019-10-25  8:37     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-25  9:20       ` martin rudalics
2019-10-25  9:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26  7:49           ` martin rudalics
2019-10-26  9:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-25 10:31       ` Phil Sainty
2019-10-25 12:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-25 12:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-25 13:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-25 15:27               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-25 18:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 12:33               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-26 12:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 13:13                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-26 13:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 13:50                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-26 14:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 14:45                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-26 15:07                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-25 13:16           ` Phil Sainty
2019-10-25 13:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-25  8:51     ` martin rudalics
2019-10-25 10:54       ` Phil Sainty
2019-10-26  7:49         ` martin rudalics
2019-10-26  9:07           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 10:57             ` Phil Sainty
2019-10-26 11:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 12:11                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-26 12:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 15:59                     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2019-10-26 16:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 17:14                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-26 17:35                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 19:53                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-26 20:18                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 13:09                 ` Phil Sainty
2019-10-26 13:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-26 12:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-27  7:49             ` martin rudalics
2019-10-27 17:40               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-28  9:39                 ` martin rudalics
2019-11-10  3:50                   ` so-long.el updates (was Re: 27.0.50: How can I test a buffer-local window-configuration-change-hook in batch mode?) Phil Sainty

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