From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 17:13:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1w2s9wi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9leqmss.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhapoz63.fsf@gnu.org> <83k11tou72.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="111815"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 23:14:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVLwZ-000Swr-JJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:14:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54568 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVLwY-0005wb-MM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 17:14:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51284) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVLvr-00055O-3a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 17:13:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:50664) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVLvp-0003A9-Lu; Sun, 03 May 2020 17:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8DF4B4508B3; Sun, 3 May 2020 17:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4B9824508B1; Sun, 3 May 2020 17:13:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1588540426; bh=4S5ELRHry29Q0l3Lii42joNMVhUrx68PDyGa2jp3Tyg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ggy7yl5/pk4u/g+a0Cb5jpoMoYYjDb6htZxG/vUw2btsU7g8BXFVLh01n4qMsMLVz POgxeWNTpTuMUxA/5Z9kwtD9czv5fp4iLELjp9HFnQHqDI93CfYiApyodsluCeFWO9 X6fU4hNOJxJSx1BF1FgqcQnh9tYwGwgKmikf0A4x5QA7hE0+I6XMQwi/FQXz8ajFEr +npXwCWe/az8+u3ZHfs7hXEEgUkcDzpzw6uRl450rvYjtAyeFz1LoAt4qPOKeZJqXx JVwYfN4IqFE//LI8NLMRBOOJAMP+dhSeGyB/Ata8gjXnFbtyMVw5ZJ3seypswPS89w CUK3UWsUsOWzw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C165B12028A; Sun, 3 May 2020 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83k11tou72.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 03 May 2020 19:32:33 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/03 16:39:48 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248744 Archived-At: >> > You seem to be measuring only the "speed" of your typing the input, >> > and disregard the time required to look over the results of the >> > completion or doc search and decide which is the one you want. >> The examples I give are not hypothetical > Neither are mine. But the above I meant that I don't understand the relevance of your answer. In the scenario of `string-multibyte-p` vs `multibyte-string-p` or `absolute-file-name-p` vs `file-name-absolute-p` there is no "look over the results". I only do (or want to do) TAB completion. >> The documentation satisfies a different need. This discussion is not >> about replacing the manual with something else. > Not the manual, the help commands. Neither one nor the other. Nobody is talking about *replacing* anything (other than replacing some names with others, admittedly ;-) > Maybe you should re-read the first messages in this thread. Yes, other people might be interested in other benefits of a more regular/predictable/consistent naming scheme. The benefits are multiple. Stefan