From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:27:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <83y2lghkvj.fsf@gnu.org> <18E66F55-A192-4D18-B517-55BD1270EB89@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12944"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuan Fu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 16:29:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGk2u-0003FP-NK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:29:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60044 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGk2t-0004Fd-Nx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:28:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52758) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGk1y-0003Ns-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:17950) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGk1v-0003lL-Tw; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E0554100240; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5A7E910022C; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:27:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1599834470; bh=Y7MbmRLkYWq96BENXuj2/J6reAi8Zp1W+xiOIdMoeC4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=AAnVN3LqEdu9d+9Wo6OyidGd/YEUx5DxR+cIZF7ryHmV9v1YoPHC16SgORHnHbWHA XUyx+Sz78mZoJnLDUarmj0DwCW7LzYsgRAC8fm/HVfNmySoCkzkp/dFQ3pWgRs5szq jOkuCmov1N+ttgNyepeOFISosPUzDSfypInO8WV0sW+p9nWuVSvOhuDhrcx0VT3A1G 064r5eZT/Qkb3p2j0nxSIlS8jRvM3Z52+NcCCnXlXu5RzaIDFhskFvxlS56B9zhmaQ ERhBJESquP4VtUWJeelfeKyzmNMm0WTeOvHs35mYZzvhhz6Hd9paIuJ3aaBQEoY9XF WGR5A7W13t5MQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.232.131]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D2101203CD; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:27:50 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <18E66F55-A192-4D18-B517-55BD1270EB89@gmail.com> (Yuan Fu's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:52:34 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/11 09:47:34 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255185 Archived-At: >> "Better" in what sense? What do the people who maintain Spacemacs or >> DOOM know about Emacs that we don't? > They can do things we can=E2=80=99t. They can bundle MELPA packages, they= can set > various defaults, they can promote one package over another, they can bun= dle > a bunch of helper commands and configurations. Indeed, there are fundamentally two things they do that we don't: - they bundle extra packages - they don't have to accommodate all Emacs users (tho over time, they discover that they have to accommodate their own users when introducing changes ;-) We could also bundle extra packages, actually. We just currently decide not to. Stefan