From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:26:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20210213141225.11309.86562@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210213141226.EEDFE20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <47209379-76df-4c97-e5ff-b3b04da0db1d@yandex.ru> <87zh07of0e.fsf@gnus.org> <0605ed62-a785-d190-caf2-2232e1db3b0f@yandex.ru> <87mtw6d480.fsf@gnus.org> <87eehid3k2.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1liblzb.fsf@gnus.org> <87czwy1mu2.fsf@gnus.org> <87v9aqz9ob.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31129"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , Dmitry Gutov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 23:28:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCVIy-0007rf-Fa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 23:28:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44548 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCVIx-00088X-EE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:28:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCVHO-0007EQ-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:26:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:36937) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCVHL-0008VE-Av for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:26:40 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 55C6380284; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:26:38 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BC13E8068C; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:26:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1613600791; bh=3KaGziGTzu/ORrZlpmdByBKynvfK9QBd2cLjGbDiyNg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=e56/yT9uG8hXfuTlZea9/4lyf/Hl3Djd3nBcNu4RpZYqnE68N4f8tNQDASCH1pz20 0qvs9O9/hyNwpUoAf4I7jrv0fUXX78c6dGQjNqvjB1FIzghGYJBSpwjDtDgl5EitYt JYBURJsPqkftE797zj2EFzWQsKg5129bA8PTu+TPUkbgc//B2h1Sh5hOREIa8hNmdD 0RWC0Ah6kRWOPgccAf3ACeE4UcGyExJMyivl/dUooLhsxVD6bnT5KdBdeOOYbal93i Sxq482JE9EpfecXWiHDnhzBO549KhkcaQfbBbqWRCU7lEO2JPSmgQ0mzFd8wnS8JKx ZseuRHloGokGg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.41.47]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80A02120206; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:26:31 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87v9aqz9ob.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 17 Feb 2021 22:06:12 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265101 Archived-At: >> As I said, I think it will work whenever the code has been fully >> macro-expanded, which happens not just for byte-compilation but also for >> `eval-buffer`, or when loading a `.el` file. We should arguably do it >> at most other occasions (e.g. `C-M-x`), but someone will have to write >> the corresponding patches. > > We can fix this in Emacs 28, of course -- but my point was that this > doesn't work (in general) in earlier Emacs versions. (Which was the > point of the compat macro.) It'll still work in most cases in older Emacsen, tho, since it works when the code is byte-compiled, or `load`ed, or eval'd via `eval-buffer` which should cover 99.9894% of the cases where a package's code will be executed. Stefan