From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An Emacs plug-in for a browser (Firefox?) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:11:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <18624.40059.414121.633475@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <48C0BB3A.4080201@pajato.com> <87zlmnezy9.fsf@shellarchive.co.uk> <48C0FC53.4020806@gmail.com> <6fa54e4e0809050420i5132ace5red5a011b69ecd1ed@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220731893 24968 80.91.229.12 (6 Sep 2008 20:11:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, raman@users.sourceforge.net, Antoine Levitt , emacs-devel@gnu.org, phil@shellarchive.co.uk To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 06 22:12:26 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kc48v-0000Rg-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:12:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38187 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc47v-000778-Sy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:11:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc47r-00076t-OR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:11:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc47q-00076e-5G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:11:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44867 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc47q-00076b-2A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:11:18 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:5688 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kc47m-0001W8-7V; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:11:14 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAEeAwkhFxJRU/2dsb2JhbACBZbESgWaBBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,346,1217822400"; d="scan'208";a="26459399" Original-Received: from 69-196-148-84.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.148.84]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 06 Sep 2008 16:11:13 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 10CE0B405D; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:11:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:12:16 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103604 Archived-At: > To make Emacs display web pages with their correct appearance is a > gigantic job. I don't think that linking Emacs with a web browser > display engine is a feasible method. On the contrary, I think it's a very good direction. Hopefully, we can do that with a browser (or rendering engine) that might be interesting in participating in this effort, so that we can get them to help us better intergrate the two tools (e.g. integrate Firefox's display in an Emacs window, but then let Firefox use Emacs windows for its text-editing widgets). > I proposed years ago that we extend Emacs to the point where it can > function as a word processor. It never struck me as an interesting goal: for one, we already have latex-mode for that (i.e. Emacs is the only tool I use for word processing, even more so now that I can display the resulting PDF with doc-view-mode), and in any case we already have plenty to do in order to make Emacs the best text editor there is. > This is mainly a matter of adding features that let you put things in > a buffer (and save them in files) to get various kinds of formatting > effects. To display web pages is an even more distant goal; it > requires MORE new buffer and display features. I think that efforts along the lines of what W3 tried to do would be a waste of time. Better try to reuse other people's efforts trying to write good HTML rendering engines than try and come up with our own, especially since it's a very difficult project in itself. Stefan