From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="90253"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Emacs developers To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 26 20:41:46 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jSmDp-000NMX-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 20:41:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42396 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSmDo-00045F-Ku for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:41:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSmD0-0002rw-8s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:40:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSmCz-00043P-Jm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:40:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:25333) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSmCz-00042o-5U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:40:53 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4E8404505CB; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 14CF74502A5; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:40:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1587926451; bh=M/jhlgc7RNm7rY88OawsCON8bD554In0galrAEV5XDY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DTYqJZiZfeeVwvmTeS+1Bs79ko75KnysR5TwLuJyQ+HXXjFHTPVHcRToT9AkEvjen Ti8R8oW21f//YCWk+99IKKbS6J9jDvvFQR57lRW8aS987jMRcsBfoHjR7qYIceAQYI ZEDHfuNyeAoQmdWCXWJTV6fiDRMAyFfJxvafuHgsExjCyoW2pcgVZzgz3th3ZeuewD zORU45ldwvMhpi5eRs2pGhvTRAc96pG/jCOf3HhxBXzdxkLVerfwlJqxnZtTpLAahb bRZSrLrOyEGgRqg3QxRJctKfK0v7seFTYnBxZoWVJesKB/Twg6V2GDy4noqwhe1kBU iwRXxeyH5ku1g== Original-Received: from alfajor (69-165-158-35.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.165.158.35]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C145812023D; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:43:55 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/26 14:36:29 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247858 Archived-At: > Here's my attempt to summarize the counter-arguments: > (1) Outline-mode is in fact more well-known than org-mode. > (2) Org-mode increases memory consumption (by 1-3 MB). > (3) We could improve outline-mode by adding something like org-cycle (TAB). > (4) There's a slight delay when opening an org file for the first time > in a session. Improving outline-mode would probably be a good idea, *especially* if it also benefits outline-minor-mode, but I think addressing (4) would be beneficial for all Org users which might make it an even better choice. > Finally, I don't know if anything can be done about (4). I can't see any reason why it should take so freaking long to open a *simple* Org file. I think it "just" requires someone investigate where that time is spent and how to reorganize the code so it's loaded&initialized more lazily. Stefan