From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:31:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23218"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 26 19:33:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kME4c-0005tg-BN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 19:33:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45538 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kME4b-0007SW-9c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:33:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57074) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kME3B-0006Ee-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:31:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:63598) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kME39-0007bu-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:31:56 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A2698441261; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7CEB444083B; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:31:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1601141512; bh=UNqKof+F24QyFXNZWxKZvHYG0NObgmP8jlnvy2NpRQ8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=YLps9jxvgH0TB94GwJCTKm4KRn4ZVDu9W+uBEcn5liNSFvhM7ZcjSsez3stt+x+fF L6ViL93Y5RpjQUzJmncytry0uRQ0kA45y4mgtANb/pHwtpIKxbOV2IMb3MB25hepzl kAc+09czTAeBPiS6ltoK/5PL9uRZVSeC2AEKD0g9SwtEjIBiiAQGocJe6iJhdr7VhO jtQcVd66hpxMvR5C+b0M6tqayn6l21izZXhjVDAbxbvuwDxNuGUF+oBUb1Y6LqhcD2 1/gsH7vJbjA/BAxM6C2tnkVB0JdH/5GETmc05CKMyiD2LUtQLKu/vDqgKjbgk4RwRN SyEw08Q9NHlNQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.232.131]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2099E12038D; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:31:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (James Lu's message of "Sat, 26 Sep 2020 09:38:18 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/26 13:18:49 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256488 Archived-At: > I am a new (2020 started) Emacs user. > Sell customer support packages, Might be a good idea, indeed. I'm personally not interested in selling such support (I'm too happy contributing to Emacs only when I feel like it), but if other people want to, they're very welcome to do so. I do expect that they'd suffer from the same problems as configs like Spacemacs and friends in that it would be difficult for them to get their changes into Emacs because they would inevitably work within a very different context (e.g. their clients wouldn't be Emacs old-timers). Stefan