From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 12:49:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <1e340d941b6fd0b21a477f39fc935468@condition-alpha.com> <62ff80b8ff943b698ef8c46849b8bc50@condition-alpha.com> <83y2l0vas0.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfgyrn57.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7rlsxpw.fsf@gnu.org> <0e3f9f50238be8a62b481f78c1d26c83@condition-alpha.com> <83d024jxex.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo0agl6u.fsf@gnu.org> <1872097e3b35c576672cd126e26d6555@condition-alpha.com> <83imbthqdg.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8817"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alexander Adolf , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 18:56:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kO1sX-0002CA-Q3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:56:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60546 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kO1sW-0004YY-QY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 12:56:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49106) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kO1mE-0006ww-1Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 12:49:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:16703) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kO1m7-00072L-8X; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 12:49:53 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 33A29440962; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id F0AB7440960; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:49:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1601570979; bh=nMrT4CAJXtlkKDYeyPIpevPY4nSuamWr6uvJpR7a5/0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=jJgb1KbYjwYpWmAjOddj22M6DdrwBZLPMcGKgLjyKHbj3QNLLdmDmX+AGhO1cnWBt DjmqzirRYpecaZU/wChBcfN6LnLIqFRRHlbaTZDgB1ZRGHDh3H6rKhjyp5MTvnQV+y eyxYujcRpN1KE61DUNjxHmaIg2YNio+IKrYCqcKYgih1+vrYIV5SQqOdqPDOZXLwsG FWyWcQZnRas9yFdSq1OAWI4iyUNuACYk397EwGpPXThaK/q4FFtTbtEHEg9P1HNKAk JcWkTtFhspP33GCmBSzTB9AhoA53hvJsSLrU2LOJDl7NupG3qPtwLe6Z1xHVmwrBUB pLilDnIlMYD9g== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.232.131]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE2DF1204F1; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:49:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83imbthqdg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 01 Oct 2020 19:18:03 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/01 09:10:03 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256890 Archived-At: >> >From what I understood of your comments, you seem to claim that local >> users choosing different names in step #2 would cause a problem? > No. The problem I have in mind is that the user might decide to give > a package some keyword when first installed, but then the user might > wish to have the same package in another setup-KEYWORD.el file as > well, because it is useful as part of another group of packages. For that there would be tags. There's no sane way to duplicate the settings of a package in two or more different places, which is why we can't use the "tags" for that, so we'd introduce a second classification which would come with the restriction that for this classification a given package can only belong to one "category". We already have some of that in our `lisp` subdirectory where some packages are placed in `emacs-lisp` and others in `vc`, ... Stefan