From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: persistent data feature Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:44:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87tufmjyai.fsf@gnus.org> <83k0g7l4zb.fsf@gnu.org> <5640724.eMgT8BFyco@galex-713.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13449"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, tom@logand.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alexandre Garreau Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 15 17:46:39 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxXQL-0003Fv-7A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 17:46:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60594 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxXQK-0000SP-1g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:46:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxXOB-00062d-PL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:44:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:25960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxXO9-0006vv-GZ; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:44:23 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B2F7210018A; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:44:18 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 48A73100129; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:44:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1639586657; bh=I+sQLCBjG2Hg76siu8n/kU36NB2bMVUMU1zTv4ab3eg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DR0aQWW7mGEOmvpCLbbl4Vmc9Dm3M0aUWiwrH5B4JJEyO2fSckA9yai52CgQaPRZw bG3/YVjvWBICMc+hMfihPthEcI7dmFu15v+SKH5MuD9dFOJqhGHYEZMaXnWZLSmP2x 0hze9/x2hAnm1TAlqaq6Ln5r8I/ZyfWt+KY+B55/knvnlWISCi8xxR0/KIOzouhl5t vueAwjXnT9GqIevrfYE0VvNHBs2nE0HnswgbEmPqXwzl5G/Pp1kxU2xePZqW2iCv7X ZQb3xtz4293rePm3/jBB8wXGKjhHAEvjrRWQPuqpVe6CC4NVzA+VqDtQNJG2kHIdG+ vIH8EXfBZyIig== Original-Received: from alfajor (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 323231209D5; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:44:17 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <5640724.eMgT8BFyco@galex-713.eu> (Alexandre Garreau's message of "Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:01:13 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282069 Archived-At: > That would be cool. That would make =E2=80=9Ccanonical=E2=80=9D extensio= ns more akin to > users=E2=80=99 one, and would reduce the gap between user hacking and sta= ndard > development (akin to the =E2=80=9Cabsence of keywords=E2=80=9D of lisp, a= nd to the fact > users=E2=80=99 extensions can look like core features), encourage hacking= , and > equality of emacs=E2=80=99 hackers. > > Plus I like the idea you can install libraries separatly from the end > software, before or after, and remove them at wish. That was my original intention when I pushed for the addition of loadable modules. I suspect we need to significantly improve our loadable module support before it can become reality. In the mean time, maybe we could try and make the non-w32 world use a similar approach to the one used in the w32 code, so support for sqlite/gnutls/whathaveyou is compiled-in but Emacs still works properly if the .so is missing at run-time. Stefan