From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unifying "foo-mode"s and "foo-ts-mode"s Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <877cyagmti.fsf@posteo.net> <831qoi85u7.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt76f4n4.fsf@posteo.net> <83sfgy6l0n.fsf@gnu.org> <877cy9b1k0.fsf_-_@posteo.net> <83zgb55409.fsf@gnu.org> <87fscw9av0.fsf@posteo.net> <83sfgw6g8m.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8ls7u0j.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36895"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 30 17:31:25 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pBII1-0009Oh-19 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 17:31:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBIHU-0001R9-0H; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBIHT-0001QV-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBIHR-00045x-Fp; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:50 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4B9484421CB; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:47 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id EEBD7441F80; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:45 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1672417846; bh=eYLVCweRodX3mjMl2q12ePm7u5tMU8PcpxGocaJDfjI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=XHcI4bQtXsjR3rBFTP1ehaIe/fkFjuyg3z/qPoTZXB+osj3DThsUl6+hd9HZzGq6D xbkVYJ5V4Ip+opggHvLKQYQMGMoOk8oX6bL025JdiOImBpb4CTTq+2P75YRL1pojGE Qj1EZicodOYZb2fa/s4OTMp7xKq7Ags49VY38UIJUS5hiaM407KqhNA/8PeksqAoYY UroM4bRaZz77ht3JIyb+lX7z9fh3NlbejsCqDLM1ravFEg3jEZqq6IUADIEDCH91KN Cz4H1Ajvp7R+7kOLndLB+HjEtuYROA3NhvCQ4pcE+b869yCyFycn1r1QsWILWOTcOb BrA0QzvI/clWA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDB3B1204A3; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:30:45 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87v8ls7u0j.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Fri, 30 Dec 2022 16:09:48 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302128 Archived-At: > I am not sure what you are referring to here. My point was just that > features that have to be enabled manually are usually never enabled by > non-enthusiasts (which I believe are the majority, even for Emacs). FWIW, I think it's perfectly OK if that's how it plays out in Emacs-29. That gives us a freer hand to improve the integration in Emacs>29. Stefan