From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finalizing 'inhibit-automatic-native-compilation' Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <837cx8cey0.fsf@gnu.org> <83357vauh5.fsf@gnu.org> <837cx6a8me.fsf@gnu.org> <83357ua6ja.fsf@gnu.org> <83zga28ra8.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0vd97s0.fsf@gnu.org> <83lell73yv.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13703"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org, larsi@gnus.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 30 03:31:31 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pMJxD-0003PM-2q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 03:31:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMJwa-0005CK-MC; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:30:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMJwY-0005CB-UC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:30:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMJwU-0000Dn-4o; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:30:50 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D6FFC44137A; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:30:44 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 76F55441373; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:30:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1675045843; bh=BMLy9AtCAre7SnRl1RUUN02W/Kf1zHW6LWVsXHPxDpk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=lo3N+a6Sk+0GkigXVky2TbLATB6D+/vC7ZFgvNyV6BIdeGpjvw4LLwq5ZFCntK3/n 38AuVAxYxLSmiEoBXshvMqRCN0tZG0ntUQCSK8Y/O68AeW3eVRIPiWfFi1Zu+9dv8J WNIIBbhH3Vn8c/ij9SQNHqp+oqNdrCiNsXZl8pB9A415rE7pNMZlykEGcNI1FRKqEQ YPyBkdEMQPYpj5VAho5Xd7y0+D5nyJwqSPBF9hv9r2Xq+P3TT7al6eAL9O6j1iw6wq CthZgITUrEjKr95QXNoKICSttCSK1bQT8zxVoke3tAtYv+hMud6SeS/H6/9ovTmcEN Aik8h1rSdoEtw== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [167.88.21.243]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2853112254B; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:30:43 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83lell73yv.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 29 Jan 2023 17:30:48 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302768 Archived-At: >> > IMO, the "no writable eln-cache" scenario should be solved by tweaking >> > native-comp-eln-load-path to include a writable directory. That >> > writable directory could be temporary-file-directory, or it could be >> > anything else, but it should be specified by the caller/user, not >> > pulled out of our hat behind the scenes. >> >> That's where I disagree: when it comes to trampolines I think users >> would be better served if we silently used an eln-cache in >> `temporary-file-directory` rather than ignoring the subr's redefinition >> (usually due to an advice). > > Why? in the Debian use case all they care about is that the file is > not written to HOME, and my proposal doesn't break that. AFAIK your proposal breaks some uses of advice. > The trampoline isn't needed in their scenario, so there's no reason to > generate it. I don't know if they need trampolines, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do on occasion. Stefan