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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,  Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Excessive use of `eassert`
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 10:50:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwveded5ojx.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sf2tv029.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2024 17:02:06 +0200")

>> AFAICT it's worse than just `NILP`, I think, because every `Qnil` (same
>> thing with all other `Q<something>`, I guess) becomes a call to
>> `builtin_lisp_symbol` which itself has a call to `make_lisp_symbol`.
>
> Then how come this is suddenly an issue?

Oh, I don't think it's a new issue (tho maybe it is, I have no idea).
I just happened to hit `C-z` in Emacs for some unrelated reason and saw
on the stack `make_lisp_symbol` and `builtin_lisp_symbol`, which seemed
odd, so I looked a bit closer.

> since 2016.  I use an Emacs build with ENABLE_CHECKING and without
> optimizations every day, and while it is indeed slower than the
> production build by a factor of 3.5, it is not unbearably slow.

Same here.  I can't vouch for 3.5 specifically, but 3-4 sounds about
right for me as well.  Tho I'll also note that (many) years ago
the slowdown was lower, more in the 2x ballpark.

>> Why do you find this specific assertion important?  When building other
>> `Lisp_Object`s (like `make_fixnum`) we don't seem to have any
>> corresponding assertion that the revere operation (e.g. XFIXNUM) returns
>> the original value.
> make_fixnum is a trivial bit-shuffling, whereas make_lisp_symbol is
> much trickier.

`make_fixnum` does "shift + tag", whereas `make_lisp_symbol` does "add +
tag".  Doesn't seem so terribly more tricky.

> Perhaps especially so now that we have symbols-with-positions as well
> as bare symbols.

`make_lisp_symbol` doesn't touch SWPs.

In any case, I'm not insisting.  I already removed that assertion from
my local branch, which is the one that affects me.  My messages was
mostly intended to share my discovery/surprise: I always assumed that
something like `Qnil` in the source would turn into some kind of
constant in the machine code (possibly modulo relocation), regardless of
ENABLE_CHECKING.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-19 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-18 22:35 Excessive use of `eassert` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-19  7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-19 13:01   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-19 15:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-19 15:50       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2024-01-19 16:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-19 17:44           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-19 19:42       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-19 19:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-21  1:41         ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-21  9:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-21 20:35             ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-21 10:59           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-22  5:19             ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-22 13:07               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-22 14:37               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-23  7:51                 ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-23 11:42                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-24  1:04                     ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-24 15:09                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-26  8:06                         ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-21 15:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-22  4:12             ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-22 13:20               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-23  8:15                 ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-23 17:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-24  7:45                     ` Paul Eggert
2024-01-23 18:16                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-23 19:50                     ` Stefan Monnier

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