From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MPS: dangling markers Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87v81u85hv.fsf@localhost> <87frsx81m2.fsf@localhost> <87cyo180y2.fsf@localhost> <874j9d7zqe.fsf@localhost> <87sewvg6lw.fsf@localhost> <86ed8fiug3.fsf@gnu.org> <86bk3jirx7.fsf@gnu.org> <868qynipph.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmm75xze.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37658"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Ihor Radchenko , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com To: Gerd =?windows-1252?Q?M=F6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 30 17:06:14 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sNw84-0009WU-SQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 17:06:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNw7G-0005R1-3o; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:05:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNw7C-0005Qe-OK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:05:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNw6w-0002Qc-Vl; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:05:18 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 12621805E9; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:05:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1719759895; bh=fKPJn8ORc+BVrP8vs5Mdou9+mDhsMMg3JiOL15eSZJs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=N0bc472trlyzt4OOLQ5JxKUWd17Ign4U9nHL8t1BD+0PDc90JSthU04CrJ53SQogA ShiL9qEFsgVc1nau+oSZs2YpKpAwoF+x6Khri8i2S0zXVJ5YYD5JfzkskF+dRJudCK IYc99WJ1Dush4u5DSU0suFVoPZt119fbIARgG0OFc09+qBM5nBmhzpVFImuZvd4TCd sUQD4Gv/lqfnH0f4fRoWcccUaiR8wJHiH5sej3+CAIY3Snpm4li6wp/5FYewdxwkJf FbRbEOfNQ085pCHl0v0x0vkFAsGMjIdM1DTDXPVky+JVE7Y2tzpMJ/TgUKI5h3B06D Qg3jDGgzZBu/w== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AAA2A802B3; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.245.253]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 71A5112051B; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:04:55 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: ("Gerd =?windows-1252?Q?M=F6l?= =?windows-1252?Q?lmann=22's?= message of "Sun, 30 Jun 2024 07:02:06 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320967 Archived-At: > I'm afraid the only way to force MPS to "splat", as they call it, weak > references it by requesting a full collection. Which I think we want > to avoid because that is not done concurrently, the client has to wait > for it to complete. We could trigger full GCs from an idle timer. Stefan