From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: terminal escapes in Info files? Date: 28 Oct 2003 12:56:31 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200310281651.h9SGpXX06600@f7.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067364356 2565 80.91.224.253 (28 Oct 2003 18:05:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dirt@gtk.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, karl@freefriends.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 28 19:05:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AEYE5-0005dP-00 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:05:53 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AEYE5-0006ga-00 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:05:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEY9D-0005GZ-LU for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:00:51 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AEY7G-0004kE-Ms for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:58:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AEY6h-0004cb-DK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:58:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AEY6h-0004cP-3V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:58:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [132.204.24.67] (helo=mercure.iro.umontreal.ca) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEY5C-0004gF-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:56:42 -0500 Original-Received: from vor.iro.umontreal.ca (vor.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.24.42]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9SHuWnR003913; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:56:32 -0500 Original-Received: by vor.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C38633C63E; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:56:31 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17509 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17509 > Because it allows features such as index search that are not > available in HTML, Huh? Why don't the HTML pages generated by makeinfo allow index search? >>From what I can tell they include indices just fine, exactly like the Info format version. It can be even better because the hyperref to the index node can be annotated to indicate it's an index node whereas the Info format relies on the name used in the menu to tell the difference between an index node and a non-index node, which makes it inadequate for non-english text. Existing HTML browsers suck, but that doesn't mean we can't use the HTML markup with a specially designed Info viewer (which might not even need to understand 100% of HTML). > and yet doesn't support colors, bold/italics, and > other text attributes that existing text-mode terminals can display. > For details, see this message (which started this thread): > http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2003-10/msg00621.html This does not answer my question: why enhance the Info format rather than change the readers (to use the HTML output of makeinfo rather than the Info output) ? I don't know about other Info browsers, but Emacs's M-x info has been recently showing signs of bumping into limits of the Info format which would be lifted if it used the HTML format instead. Stefan