From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Further CC-mode changes Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:00:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <53632C6F.5070903@dancol.org> <20140511211351.GC2759@acm.acm> <536FEA43.5090402@dancol.org> <20140516175226.GB3267@acm.acm> <537653A0.2070109@dancol.org> <20140518213331.GB2577@acm.acm> <20140912235948.GA4045@acm.acm> <20140913151055.GB3431@acm.acm> <87vboo2rgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wq93ve4p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87egvb2kye.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761gn2f0e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvfqvn11.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410958886 13816 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2014 13:01:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 17 15:01:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUErF-0004k7-L4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:01:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44951 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUErF-0002eT-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52134) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUEr5-0002eD-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUEqx-0008Cr-H8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:07 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:16954) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUEqs-0008BD-B7; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:00:54 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFpZEG/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFpZEG/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="90082304" Original-Received: from 69-165-145-6.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.145.6]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 17 Sep 2014 09:00:50 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 294BC62FAE; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:00:50 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87fvfqvn11.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:22:50 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174419 Archived-At: > And that question is: how long should new code intended for Emacs > refrain from relying on new interfaces and new features which have been > created for a reason? Actually, that's not really the question either. I think the questions Alan is facing are more along the lines of: - should I just keep using my old code which is compatible by a mix of "do it all by hand" plus "coerce the few packages on which I need to rely". - or should I start using the new interface, which integrates better with the rest of the system, but comes with some downsides: - the new system doesn't work quite like my old one, and I prefer my system (after all, *I* designed it, so it does exactly what I want). - since it doesn't work quite like my old one, I might introduce bugs. - the new one is not supported everywhere, so I have to add new compatibility code. In the short run, the first option (the one usually favored by Alan, AFAICT) is clearly better. Stefan