From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Can we make set_point_both less expensive? Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:47:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5505E34C.4000106@dancol.org> <838uex1u1m.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1426510086 25302 80.91.229.3 (16 Mar 2015 12:48:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dancol@dancol.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 16 13:47:58 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YXUR2-0001fa-Dd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:47:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49118 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YXUR1-00023C-QZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:47:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YXUQy-000237-VX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:47:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YXUQy-0008Cw-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:47:52 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:54628) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YXUQu-0008Bd-Ki; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:47:48 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroTAPOG1lQXW5EB/2dsb2JhbABbgwaDX4VTwGUEAgKBDUQBAQEBAQF8hA0BBAFWIxALNBIUGA0kiDgIziMBAQEHAgEfj3gHhCoBBKMGiDEihAoignMBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AroTAPOG1lQXW5EB/2dsb2JhbABbgwaDX4VTwGUEAgKBDUQBAQEBAQF8hA0BBAFWIxALNBIUGA0kiDgIziMBAQEHAgEfj3gHhCoBBKMGiDEihAoignMBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,536,1418101200"; d="scan'208";a="113670679" Original-Received: from 23-91-145-1.cpe.pppoe.ca (HELO pastel.home) ([23.91.145.1]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 16 Mar 2015 08:47:47 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 303CAF89; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:47:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <838uex1u1m.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 16 Mar 2015 05:48:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:183900 Archived-At: >> goto-char should never trigger any hook. Properties such as >> `intangible' are misfeatures, IMO. > Does that include 'point-entered' and 'point-exited' as well? If so, > can you explain why they are misfeatures? For the same reason `intangible' is a misfeature: it works at the level of `point' where coders don't expect such weird behavior. But what users of those features normally want is to catch movement of the cursor rather than movement of `point'. Stefan