From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Declaring cl.el obsolete Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 08:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="184685"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 23 14:16:53 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTmeO-000lsR-Jh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 14:16:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35124 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTmeN-0005cc-9H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44032) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTmd1-00055X-7T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:15:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTmcz-0004Ny-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:15:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:17872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTmcz-0004Nl-PF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5E703101138; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail02.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4ECE610099F; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:15:20 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1558613720; bh=fWoBr++UWhI13Bx0c9DlVmJPO0Y0u4YdiQBx7PMNmUk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=cb7o+ujy03pO/N2rMzktMVUKulz5u2YeT19pYsa0JaNAQJriLbx/Z1EotUeKOsVdo PT6/EhONs0neEB/+KXw/3TQCuoILbNp3T+F2Z2cnOchwrDnHAtV37mS4usHHPTiwAb p8D48vArT9rBVA8LToX405Ca/SIBaKOSQEWjF7Q8XPxoyn4iuGBAcQqnw4ofy3+8ON t7u1gFOZqgSPs8wfpy1RIAT/sX4PhJyDuCxMPYeUQKW4qpCcWA8iAyzzdf/zCSv7Cp 0lt8oMG2Q+FWoiS1jgk7h/M+XFQmhy6jWYBi+LFk9xl9ASMD+WDIWxTquBTOzum40B HGhUyb53Y87Vg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [167.88.27.42]) by mail02.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A69B1200EF; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:15:20 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 23 May 2019 10:44:34 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:236929 Archived-At: >> So I think Emacs-27 is a good time to declare it officially obsolete >> (and hence move it to the lisp/obsolete directory). > I think there's a probably a gazillion out-of-tree packages out there > with (require 'cl), so actually removing cl at some point would break a > lot of stuff... and without much of a technical reason, I think? I don't intend to ever completely kill cl.el, actually. The way I see it, we'd obsolete it in Emacs-27, then move it to GNU ELPA somewhere around Emacs-30. Stefan