From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questions regarding PGTK, high-dpi font-rendering, new X11-Warning Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:50:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87cz99l4td.fsf@thaodan.de> <87v8n1w7cf.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn7gc53k.fsf@thaodan.de> <87r0xnx4fs.fsf@yahoo.com> <87edtncvss.fsf@thaodan.de> <87ilizwbkw.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cz94vjgl.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19906"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: xenodasein@tutanota.de, =?windows-1252?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Bidar , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 30 13:51:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p0MYW-0004sY-KC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 13:51:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0MXv-0001Jm-Er; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:50:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0MXs-0001J2-UH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:50:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0MXo-0007BP-Aq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:50:33 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5394B80490; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:50:30 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CA60E8025B; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:50:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1669812628; bh=SJ6ZKgTw8av9V+tglQ0XaIsbZorkki8EPvcVLQz5uIw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=n3gWHG3w2Mb6+qLqBV03UWBl+ffUoVFDCUZA5bt6teBjvyz4C3NeqpkbF96LG8OeS k9rhjNGsb/BUIs5G5zfoiYYztuZ/uWgJ/AIQPyx6CiD7qv8BsdADVjxpVTZoEJWJPY vG09OH7O4k4rJ++LKLMVMGiKTHS+J3E+PJKJA05yYhJPxYwX1LCzAeX/vdr2yk0oQ2 V3bZM11J/MR6zhweSR0VyB5PIJJUMMDCt79xCdy6EBWzjr97DlUYpnsH2Vfk6DQElK R33/lhoc8ier37K1SX8wgUG2mE0/0JTJQj/oXlpmu3WeXMqAXGpDgGUQgP3Rg5mBtq dEejtcSuJx97A== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [104.247.241.157]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A75F12031F; Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:50:28 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87cz94vjgl.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:13:14 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300760 Archived-At: Po Lu [2022-11-30 18:13:14] wrote: > xenodasein@tutanota.de writes: >> To give less headaches to the users, why else.=A0 Have one binary, >> do it dynamically. > Then will you volunteer to write the code that makes it safe? And keep > it working for the next 5 or so years, at least? Regardless of what the > GTK developers decide to do in the meantime? FWIW, I really wish we moved in this direction. Make it possible to build a single Emacs executable which can use GNUstep frames, PGTK frames, tty frames, X11 frames, some with Athena toolkit widgets others with no-toolkit widgets, etc... ideally all at the same time. For my own use the most important part is the support of both "toolkit" and "no-toolkit" scrollbars, since I find the no-toolkit scrollbars more useful than the toolkit ones. Stefan