From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: pkg-autoloads.el vs. pkg-loaddefs.el Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y1adrria.fsf@localhost> <87o77zbs4j.fsf@localhost> <871q4us0l9.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34016"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 18 19:25:03 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sJcZq-0008cX-SG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 19:25:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sJcYV-0005XB-A7; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:23:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sJcYU-0005Wx-A6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:23:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sJcYS-0003Xx-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:23:37 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8F8AB10016C; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:23:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1718731412; bh=xnO4II5bJUFjWL/wmk2vRCcUtY9TA/thct4LE53GlQg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=a8R//qv7ypweni04V5yVMtnXmQzip0vZAA11+J1RkBgK/hZMXzEMGir8/OJZdu+z0 giebkWoLYrqs1LCQa9yw6KFOBvKdNDF+wPc0zLY3VVsZrn7c1i6ZYg8qNRZSkpG1gc vOo987iyDEEykfUUotXH445m4fPm6lDGewKNUa74Cih5z+x4OyrrVx/JIyG8b42T4X DD4EowpH4dbc8RrIjkJ2x85zbTV5BqYLu//PkImy1vCadr0/Z2MlJFZWBcDXauGwou Bi0xoq4sIeI2z2n4mVmeGNfuPOhG8yStIeMKibWgZPJaUZJRivMYVxMo6NPOvaO3mh R4FRG5BvNnROg== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8E187100043; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B8AD1204B3; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:23:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <871q4us0l9.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Tue, 18 Jun 2024 16:00:02 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320248 Archived-At: >> [ I've heard various reports over the years that indicate that >> `package--reload-previously-loaded` doesn't always do that, but >> I don't know if it's because it's not called at all, or because it's >> called but makes wrong decisions. >> Also of course, there can be lots of cases where reloading a file isn't >> sufficient. ] > > But isn't it called only when `package-activate-1' is called with RELOAD > argument? Indeed. > AFAIU, `package-activate' (and thus `package-activate-all') calls > (package-activate-1 pkg-desc nil 'deps). The reasoning is that this won't be called after some `org*.el` files have already been loaded. Stefan