From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <877ca776t5.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87ttdb5s7w.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15812"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Le Wang To: Sean Whitton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 17 20:18:50 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1t1V5F-0003y5-3P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 20:18:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t1V4a-0001oT-AB; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:18:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t1V4W-0001o2-ME for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:18:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t1V4U-0007R8-Rl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:18:04 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4159480926; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:17:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1729189078; bh=Yfsk5GXWXnx+O6ZjiB9xR1/dE0MMWUu10MCOOAPMBpY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=UyDW0F1cNq53zKgnKl65bxXrHlsLn1Bs8pt/B+yJGBAOrP3ej2d0SHWW2v+O1MorX yHyN4hH2hhpnR3zyal6hdSN/coXCx9ektODmqcf2nFP7dqzzswQjzR8a3vgJHyZuNi hxDAt+8pbsh1yrmZ9otXywSGdb580XufokorRON5UuNBxOS72C0YrDM8noHqJT7e5J dH8PXGTtXP4hxPyRxc+nxjKV6G5lvwrpTA+yc74Pu8RknO9SGxi1Jm4yVwWNtysR5M rLpmj2+4Zja2qmnJFUxFKq+tuRUAEvOP0ts/PhL2bGx+9mSWhjJ3J0afp7dyQOme3J 6iFlxBlmLwB1g== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7CAB180904; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [23.233.149.155]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58F2612059D; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:17:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87ttdb5s7w.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (Sean Whitton's message of "Thu, 17 Oct 2024 11:22:11 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324639 Archived-At: > I wrote the following e-mail to Le Wang a fortnight ago and have > received no response. And he has not been active on github, where > ws-butler was developed, in some years. Sadly, nowadays many people don't read their email or don't reply. [ IME, more and more people use their email account only as a kind of authenticator for 2FA or password recovery. =F0=9F=99=81 ] [ Also, sometimes they just change their email address. ] I'd recommend you open a (very short and focused) issue on the upstream Github about this, asking for help contacting him, in case he does read that, or in case someone else reads that who knows another way to reach him. BTW, https://github.com/lewang suggests he contributed to something(?) over there recently (on Sept 25). >> Stefan, do you think it would be okay if I go ahead and essentially >> fork it by maintaining it out of nongnu-elpa.git? Changing the upstream (to `nongnu.git` or anywhere else) due to a new maintainership is fine, yes. But of course doing it without the former maintainer's consent is not ideal. I think it deserves waiting a bit more than a fortnight. Stefan