From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Integrating package.el Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:42:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <878wclke6j.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4w5lbyb.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87zl50jv52.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d41rn3wt.fsf_-_@hagelb.org> <87k4vxiwlj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87aawsh7ou.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262710798 25242 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2010 16:59:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 05 17:59:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NSCl2-0002Nb-PO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:59:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36552 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSCl1-00051X-7I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:59:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSCUh-0002SX-Ea for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:42:55 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSCUb-0002RU-VV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:42:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43007 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSCUb-0002RN-Qw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:42:49 -0500 Original-Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.74]:41098) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NSCUb-00037s-IW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:42:49 -0500 Original-Received: from toip3.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.86]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20100105164248.WWLE27709.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:42:48 -0500 Original-Received: from bas1-montreal42-1178030923.dsl.bell.ca (HELO ceviche.home) ([70.55.83.75]) by toip3.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2010 11:32:10 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DD7D9B4077; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:42:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87aawsh7ou.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:50:41 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119448 Archived-At: Tom> It also needs to be changed to be able to manage multiple install Tom> locations, if it is to be used to manage site-lisp. > Good point, but do you mean multiple search locations for existing > installs? I would expect a single install location, otherwise it gets > complicated... You need at least 2 install locations: one for user-installed packages and one for admin-installed packages (the "site-lisp" mentioned above). > I think the pre-install and post-install steps are pretty important. > Without them, packaging Gnus doesn't do much. I want the post-install > to actually set up the user's Gnus configuration. This has been a very This is not part of an install, it's a separate step (a "configuration" step). Consider the case where the package is installed in site-lisp, where it needs to work for all users. "packaging Gnus" is only supposed to solve the problem of replacing a version of Gnus with another independently from the version of Emacs you use. > seems like this is something external to Gnus, a function of the ELPA > wrapper (although it may be bundled within Gnus) rather than something > Gnus will always run for new users. This is the major question I have > before I propose this packaging on the Gnus mailing list. I don't think it needs to be external to Gnus. You're basically asking for a Gnus wizard, I think. Stefan