From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:29:51 -0300 Message-ID: References: <8762ptue8r.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4e8ucw3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyofwxp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5cfui5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87y61nnpoq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwnuacc5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vtmo081.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306891821 26496 80.91.229.12 (1 Jun 2011 01:30:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 01:30:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 01 03:30:15 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QRaGF-0006LG-AN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 03:30:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37658 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRaGE-0004G3-FU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54746) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRaFw-0004Fq-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:29:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRaFv-0005lZ-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:29:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:49291) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRaFv-0005lV-9Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:29:55 -0400 Original-Received: from 121-249-126-200.fibertel.com.ar ([200.126.249.121]:4779 helo=ceviche.home) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRaFu-0000YH-R2; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:29:55 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9CD35660DD; Tue, 31 May 2011 22:29:51 -0300 (ART) In-Reply-To: <878vtmo081.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 31 May 2011 19:37:50 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140008 Archived-At: > (Just to be clear: my proposed format is > "login joe password gpg:ABCD123456" where the gpg: data decodes to > ((data "mysecret") (salt "mysalt")) and no other values besides the > data are used outside; a gpg: value can only yield one piece of > data and only needs to be decoded when you need the actual data.) I have a question about this: does the Gnome keychain tool (as well as comparable tools for other systems) offer the possibility to know if a password exists without having first granted access to that password? If not, then we will need an smtpmail-use-auth variable anyway, so the above gymnastic will be unnecessary. Stefan