From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Loading when viewing docstring of autoloaded function Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:15:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87395mgy6t.fsf@gnu.org> <784B0F307BD44CC4B673B79667EDEB25@us.oracle.com> <9FBF49AD-A067-4B27-80AA-7A2A41B85F25@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1341252959 21955 80.91.229.3 (2 Jul 2012 18:15:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 18:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Samuel Bronson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 02 20:15:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SllAE-00066x-69 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:15:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49829 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SllAC-0004Zx-PM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:15:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44967) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SllA9-0004Ze-Di for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:15:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SllA7-0004hU-PO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:15:52 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:18652) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SllA4-0004fu-L0; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:15:48 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAG6Zu09FxKFY/2dsb2JhbABEtBGBCIIVAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgcBboJkEQDozOBWIMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="192491081" Original-Received: from 69-196-161-88.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.161.88]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 02 Jul 2012 14:15:46 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 83C825976E; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:15:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9FBF49AD-A067-4B27-80AA-7A2A41B85F25@gmail.com> (Samuel Bronson's message of "Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:20:20 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151372 Archived-At: >>> instances. Some packages, like it or not, do things that may be >>> undesirable when you so much as load them. >> These are bugs that need fixing anyway. > Yes, well, keep in mind that not all packages are part of Emacs, Don't worry: it's hard to forget. > and some of their maintainers might think otherwise. They're simply wrong, and wronger by the minute. Emacs already loads file in various occasions without an explicit call to `load' or `require' and even more so for files that have autoloaded functions. They may not like it, but they'll have to adapt, Stefan