From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: EIEIO default constructor function Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 09:48:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y2e0rppp.fsf@blind.guru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11987"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Mario Lang Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 03 15:49:32 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lSgea-000325-Fb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 15:49:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44664 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSgeZ-0001EQ-EE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 09:49:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46288) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSgdx-0000og-CQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 09:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:45296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSgdv-0003JQ-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 09:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 255024407B8; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id F19E7440758; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1617457728; bh=raURSUQgH8QlSakaqLvTN5h/ls0l+foPD20R2tz03dw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=If0lkTtVEsXOBynpKTNirfGDpoFBIMwY7tnocTM6GEQ90h9maOt+RY1/SyfvZR2cT Brzf3xd6ZaMTehc9JT+cKKmvvIDb+FfRS0nf0bgfRjHY+UWm+2XhwM54lE/rI936r9 7CaP8Nx34LbZ0BSiguwpdhWewvQVX4pa9DK7CO6HcM2yxYS4Sn7hMth7vtpGTMy2it n4jMkXQZFBp+4Tt5tP6jbvTN6/ny1GAYegoB3aGPLvEv+YohBM9VsLOzJS7yZiutct BxUq+TomUBG287l1Ti/2+mRjhqG1BVH5XTvQdG/6wNHBSKSerpUyVjpWxOfE4g32oG 4/RTkGDh47pvQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 529F6120210; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87y2e0rppp.fsf@blind.guru> (Mario Lang's message of "Sat, 03 Apr 2021 05:50:42 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267347 Archived-At: > So my question is, what is the rationale behind *always* creating a > wrapper for `make-instance'? You'll have to ask Eric Ludlam ;-) > Could we perhaps add some sort of > class-option to disable the wrapper creation? We could, yes. I suggest you `M-x report-emacs-bug` so we don't forget. Ideally attach a patch ;-) We may also want to make those constructor functions conditional on `eieio-backward-compatibility`. You might also consider using `cl-defstruct`, which doesn't suffer from such problems and is lighter weight. Stefan