From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: A small(er) Emacs (was: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release?) Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 10:34:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h6egwe2p.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="828"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Philip Kaludercic , emacs-devel , Eli Zaretskii , arash@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , jb@jeremybryant.net To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 30 16:35:14 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sCgs6-000ASV-1a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 May 2024 16:35:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCgrg-0007b0-1O; Thu, 30 May 2024 10:34:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCgra-0007WC-K6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2024 10:34:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCgrY-0006bh-L7; Thu, 30 May 2024 10:34:42 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5766E442956; Thu, 30 May 2024 10:34:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1717079676; bh=gBVQvpAOXFtMnljRHBOjSIWn/KNxWctiMGD3qDQJZao=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=TQrLaLeZwYqgpvpd6n0S2sNx6BA5OHe5TH3f1AJcVaGQymQ8AOLIpKQXeUsu3nVOe O0yOe4jlVTYj6n4sCLRPxSj0r2pABWPcqdQRPIvMZtXcgljNPXZD+Yu9D6ytt0U1DL vLDOq9/VIs0bljKDr5K/uRoPf5k03nl7fVgu0SlvcxHnprcsN7TvHymWueoGwDNPzU lvfIDeOU7tUo6t91sqXBLkp5Q/6rCuzq/D7lREcSKCbiBmMP4Yb+y5Wd/cilVq3YpE w98jmHgNZMUrni1VCg2DYHNrJkmLwe2cqU8aYlF/35B1y3DKB555U3626bSAgYyaKa qtbFuUdWBPYHg== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E6BC944293E; Thu, 30 May 2024 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [24.140.236.196]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4817120635; Thu, 30 May 2024 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez's message of "Thu, 30 May 2024 08:16:42 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:319751 Archived-At: > But just keep in mind that there are situations, where the platform > must deploy Emacs on, might not be as relaxed WRT disk space... And > it's not about a specific package, it's about a trickle of packages > becoming a flood... Emacs tarballs have grown over the years, some versions growing very significantly. Is it a concern? Yes, to some extent. Is it worth the effort of making a "slim Emacs" option? Apparently not because I don't know of anyone who has gone through the effort of actually making it a reality. IME if your target has enough disk constraints that installing the full Emacs is a concern, you're probably better served by one of: - Another editor (e.g. Zile). - Tramp. - just installing the full Emacs anyway. If you think you have a good use case where a "slim Emacs" is better than the above options, then by all means, get working on a patch. If it's simple&clean enough we may even accept it. I'm not holding my breath. Stefan