From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pru8enjx.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <8763vy95a6.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87wsoc39i8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <877igb7dsi.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87hcff5upc.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87fxuxsg3m.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87r6egp8oo.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205330649 3728 80.91.229.12 (12 Mar 2008 14:04:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 12 15:04:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JZRZH-0001p8-QR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:04:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZRYj-00009x-D7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:03:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZRYf-00009m-UB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:03:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZRYe-00009F-9F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:03:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZRYe-00009C-5A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:03:52 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZRYX-00008a-1o; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:03:45 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkFADt/10fO+JwVUGdsb2JhbACQaAEBJxKXFYEG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,488,1199682000"; d="scan'208";a="15919759" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2008 10:03:44 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.156.21]) by smtp.pppoe.ca (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id SRP51044; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:03:44 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2C9367F05; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:03:44 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87r6egp8oo.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (Kim F. Storm's message of "Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:56:23 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92283 Archived-At: > But S-right C-5 S-right, also just marks 5 chars, as the C-5 > prefix deactivates the mark set by the first S-right. This, and the issue with scrolling, makes me think that the `only'-TTM is maybe not the best approach. > BTW, we discussed making transient-mark-mode the default - so > can we assume that transient-mark-mode is _on_ for the shifted > movement keys to work? Or do we have to find a solution which > works also for transient-mark-mode off (e.g. setting it on > temporarily as Miles approach did). AFAICT, the approach I proposed where most/all the movement commands get changed to call a special function in the interactive spec wouldn't suffer from any such problems. I think it's the best approach so far. Stefan