From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:51:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <35DBF02E-44D7-41E5-A217-7D6EC84ED221@icloud.com> <83d07984ux.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2pxcb85.fsf@russet.org.uk> <831rnp82rv.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="32286"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: rms@gnu.org, joostkremers@fastmail.fm, Emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, Phillip Lord To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 20:55:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYa3W-0008H5-IY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 20:55:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37646 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYa3V-0005DH-H4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:55:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42682) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYZzo-0001lQ-En for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:31177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYZzn-0005yu-KO; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E8325450C3B; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4CB75450BE4; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:51:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589309468; bh=4GWo6K3yhDsEx+7HiHpATMKoBgyfHJSpfhitPisiW7s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=X93c4UNqVCU8xbe02Ynu5IlREAn9nLWd5Yi/qEReVHnEgDq0Q1UzprCUGTe6d/Q+G wktoTjmxrPXDuRD7uNSG601UlJ7cvnqXzwcVqM1cHFdcZ8vW+uOmX1boVphRlUZ6fU x8f01zGO1HnV0IkMKR1VNoiR4UePktFs8lEi1Wfa7y3+vgQYkpmczFiANgI3ysOUDy 5SOp0twiwNyQpdesFR5Q2jpr+1dg/+aGjQkW5/eZMQsl8CYoXGX+GPYAcXYXA/V5Ef lJSoQcIgBsjiOAFr1whWzJhjnyY1ut0+VqOhpnjForJBn+ktVyDxEGtb/krpvv9NJx 4GLrG7KwWxFaA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E70C8120779; Tue, 12 May 2020 14:51:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <831rnp82rv.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 12 May 2020 20:46:28 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/12 13:54:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250024 Archived-At: > Is this what you think of how I'm doing my job for Emacs? All I'm > doing here, most of the time, is make sure the code we get from > various contributions is up to our standards. This whole discussion is not about the standards we should apply to Emacs, but the standards we should apply to GNU ELPA. The answer to "Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs?" is exactly this whole discussion: it's because they don't want to have to deal with all the rules to follow. > You seem to be saying that I'm harming the project by doing so, > because that drives the contributors away. No, but I do think that imposing the same rules to GNU ELPA as we impose on Emacs drives contributors away (and it imposes yet more work on us, so it's a lose-lose option). Stefan