From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Delete variables obsolete since Emacs 23 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:16:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200515175844.18941.61355@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20200515175845.997EC20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20083fc0-59ca-444b-b18d-69e2f79d8c57@default> <87sgcknqz0.fsf@gnus.org> <8dacbc9d-def9-4d38-8f73-11de3884d927@default> <4192bcb8-78bb-4945-8823-98d15a1b7b5d@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37202"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 26 20:17:42 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kAzzR-0009Zu-L2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:17:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45406 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kAzzQ-0006hl-Ne for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:17:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52800) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kAzyi-0006GN-Ld for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:16:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:4005) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kAzyg-0006Gu-Hv; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:16:55 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AE4861001D2; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 20BD7100071; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:16:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1598465810; bh=XWXeqHiSwSOwTazQROSh1yte2B/Nb3kO374jQA4cmcU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=K7/dkpshsWFWmkqOF4wlxbSDtRASlzTJgyTAwuocjZjony7pxaO+bzSdhVQNt4usR 1+cHo3Nc0qQfqJokFtdGDlQw3oQ69HiDUmxSXucij+ma7PYqqoeseOxAWSI/z9z7GG RKDxuJRnOtQXXYXV2UhTVHHdF4v4tQZbFQgXplq77KAVSZhdfqBOVxPeB9RufHxg07 9N8Mgc/xUVtfcPfEQw3z6HCcw2PzIuIgj0EhgJlW+82Nows0UHR1vM6vV/4XuTUK59 3cRhGLXiizr41iq8BugnFvMurW+Nqd/4iymexd079T5pp8BPpCpR3eP5h7XIZVv9EF KJR0CZrjq50dg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.246.108]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC818120795; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:16:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4192bcb8-78bb-4945-8823-98d15a1b7b5d@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:39:57 -0700 (PDT)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/26 14:16:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254252 Archived-At: > I've said it several times in this thread already, > which is why I didn't belabor it in my too-terse > reply: this is the _definition_ of `interactive-p' > (in `subr.el'): > > (defun interactive-p () > "..." > (declare (obsolete called-interactively-p "23.2")) > (called-interactively-p 'interactive)) For completeness, I have to warn that there is a bit more than meets the eye, here: `called-interactively-p` is a big-ugly-hack and in order for the above `interactive-p` to work, it has to know that `interactive-p` is also one of those special not-really-functions. More specifically, this manifests itself in the presence of the symbol `interactive-p` inside `called-interactively-p`. After all, if taken literally, the above code would always return nil since `interactive-p` can't be called interactively. > And the Emacs Lisp source code contains lots of > occurrences of `(called-interactively-p 'interactive)'. Yes, and that still sucks, indeed. Stefan