From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <874kknp1lq.fsf@gnus.org> <838s7crozt.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8091"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 25 20:05:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lFLws-00020g-7h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 20:05:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49610 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFLwr-0005at-6h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:05:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51242) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFLvC-0004kT-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:03:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:35810) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lFLvA-0003MK-He; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:03:33 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D23DC44186D; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:03:29 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6824A44185E; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:03:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1614279808; bh=ddCsFDIQyN/eZvconXH0YSkUzAZ1A0LYpyCe42r3Rz4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=THvmYo/ji87sW4g3spXCFTdFfEMKNixce/dxGrzjemHPQym5UY5fP5RP0UWvknlpw Irj+ex/cremqVtRPULgxsP0NVG3tFzLkA+i/xgTHsGcUxM1OzeDQEQO7BjFF99gIl6 wY9SeHkwMD3jKCsxRJCDkXXoltzBLfN7zEAcj+9acP8KYeumtAeMBhU7iplNArW9df ZMryiiOCxrvjOf2rPY2FbDbX/5L6e2LmjrYyuqiFJ8LYXR4g80b+MDGCjgu7YSqQrK Lbfsght6NiZtGqqkStZPe0yof4qfG7TzP9GeVkcV7vcxPt5JGjIFOCnoqs9licjiEO Eil6GOo/niteg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.41.47]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C1461201B9; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:03:28 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <838s7crozt.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 25 Feb 2021 20:17:26 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265640 Archived-At: > That makes little sense to me. Other applications that show tool bars > don't make them appear and disappear, only change as appropriate for > the context. Which applications are you thinking of here, that would be comparable to Emacs (i.e. are part music-player, part text editor, part hex editor, part IRC client, ...)? >> One obvious drawback of this proposal is that it's slightly jarring when >> the toolbar appears and disappears when switching between windows. > Exactly. I think the solution is to have toolbars inside the window's text, rather than attached to the frame. For mpc.el I played with the idea of building up a "toolbar" that gets inserted into the buffer, but I didn't the time needed to get something good enough. Stefan