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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@logand.com>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: using finalizers
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2022 15:55:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwva6gf2nct.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837dbjfhcp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Jan 2022 20:20:22 +0200")

>> No, that's not what I expect.  I even said that.  What I meant is that I
>> did not expect some other code not under my control to keep references
>> to the object forever preventing gc to run the finalizer eventually,
>> which is how I understood your reply.
>
> Not "forever", of course, but depending on the program a reference to
> an object could live for quite some time.  Having a reference on the C
> stack is the most sinister of these.

A common problem during manual experimentation is to have the offending
value stashed in `values`.

>> My original issue did not run the finalizer because of a bug in my use
>> of letrec.  Unless there is a good way to actually trigger the
>> finalizer, there is no good way to test such code paths.  Or shall the
>> programmers just hope for the best?

Calling `garbage-collect` should usually work well enough for tests
(tho this may have to be tweaked if/when we get a fancier GC), tho
there's always the risk that some bitpattern somewhere inside the stack
happens to look like a pointer to your finalizer (or an object that
transitively references it), so no I don't know of a way to *reliably*
get a finalizer to run.

You can minimize the risk of a bitpattern getting in the way by trying
to trigger a GC at a point where the C stack is as small as possible,
but it still can't rule out the problem completely.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-01 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-30 22:43 using finalizers Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31  2:46 ` LdBeth
2021-12-31  3:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31  3:36     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31  4:30     ` LdBeth
2021-12-31  4:43       ` LdBeth
2021-12-31  6:28   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31 10:59     ` LdBeth
2021-12-31 11:18       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31 11:41         ` LdBeth
2021-12-31 12:01           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 17:00     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 20:25       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 20:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 22:55           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 23:18             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 23:47               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 23:26             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31  7:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-31  9:31     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-12-31 12:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-01 17:58         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 18:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-01 20:55             ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-01-01 23:05               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 23:21                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31 14:23       ` Rudolf Schlatte
2021-12-31 16:21         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 17:37           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-01 22:36         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-02  6:54           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02  7:53             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-02  8:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 13:10                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-02 14:42                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 15:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-02 17:18                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-02 18:11           ` Rudolf Schlatte
2022-01-03  0:37             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-01-04  3:08               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 14:39 ` LdBeth
2022-01-01 17:59   ` Tomas Hlavaty

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