From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Renaming eglot -- or at least add an alias? Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:18:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83pmfdduix.fsf@gnu.org> <86sfk7hse3.fsf@gmail.com> <8735c6tq6t.fsf@posteo.net> <87r0zq2uea.fsf@posteo.net> <867d1hub5n.fsf@gmail.com> <87r0zpb1z6.fsf@posteo.net> <875yh1nl15.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25291"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Philip Kaludercic , Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman To: =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 15:26:53 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ofLTB-0006MC-F0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 15:26:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40458 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofLTA-0008Dy-8w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35486) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofLLL-0000hN-NH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:11629) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofLLJ-0006Ij-9G; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:18:46 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A83B780796; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DE76680355; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:18:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1664803120; bh=B+04ZZ12YofuEQ2t45QqBKy2RRGZnjSGN70/0dxpBEs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=ipoiPslDnoA1j/B+KA2tuibefacIX/K7fShg0i6fsQH3z7/oB6XmgU9F+C1oLLCmQ giJm0/Vrkv5KnKX7DNvNCGXJ1nOVmeQRYM2OJ2vGe36SWjswIPSZLx0+hzujNmTcf9 t5gmvVcZlPy1KB2hWZP6YBshV1pi000gIjs9ouStN9SX/ZUVSwSHdFVwK+QOZsAVzN GV3KdbndOdO/LIHr9rqkYihIW0cfZZKsFEzmymBXDdX5oo8k6oVvL/5xs//GCPRt/F /JR0yTk8DuLkkGMfwAIGlhS/4AdNDKOMA0d07D7JuaXC4gI9XRitHKeDCxfudtn81i FAXY7JdAJ6NLA== Original-Received: from pastel (65-110-220-202.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.220.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 631E41207C9; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:18:40 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <875yh1nl15.fsf@gmail.com> (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Jo=E3o_T=E1vo?= =?windows-1252?Q?ra=22's?= message of "Mon, 03 Oct 2022 13:34:14 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296744 Archived-At: >> - The rebinding of `display-local-help'. I don't get why this is done. > > display-local-help is a generic at-point documentation facility. It > comes with a default binding in the Emacs global map. M-x eldoc does > not have a default binding (yet). d-l-help is also a much poorer > version of what ElDoc is nowadays. Contrary to ElDoc, there is no easy > way for Eglot to link d-l-help it up to LSP-provided documentation. Oh... help-at-pt... yes that one needs love (and maybe integration with eldoc-mode). > I think you underestimate users' ability (and maybe also your own?) to > remember a single 5 letter name. Eglot has few commands, few > customization variables, no bindings. It's as minimalist as I and those > who helped could make it. For a beginner, M-x eglot is all there is to > it. I could also imagine auto-enabling Eglot when the circumstances are right (e.g. when the major modes's own support code is not very well developed, and when we can see that a good LSP server is available) making even `M-x eglot` unnecessary. Stefan