From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/package-vc has been merged Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:43:55 -0500 Message-ID: References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <878rkxgpms.fsf@posteo.net> <87sfiyk3a2.fsf_-_@posteo.net> <838rkp4ptj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgd58i7y.fsf@posteo.net> <83k0492u5i.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsew8g18.fsf@posteo.net> <83mt941cyd.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsewp0ec.fsf@posteo.net> <837d0814c9.fsf@gnu.org> <878rkooz1o.fsf@posteo.net> <831qqg1306.fsf@gnu.org> <874jvcowzm.fsf@posteo.net> <83y1soypvx.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1song5x.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8nsyof7.fsf@gnu.org> <87leoond7l.fsf@posteo.net> <83leonzblf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18700"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 07 05:45:00 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oru0J-0004g9-O2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 05:44:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ortzS-0008O2-41; Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:44:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ortzP-0008Ni-CC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:44:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ortzN-0004CI-FJ; Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:44:03 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 83CA780796; Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:43:58 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5267280325; Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:43:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1667796237; bh=Diec4DjPrrBEtzzi4OqoBr/OR+DhPwioXh6i/nfHo0Q=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Uk+eRvHzXgHpk0k/aFFRaijGDr5NqfBjreeAaO6b63XNyurFsu2pjxWxXFujsNfsu 3Nfb/2UxPhDQRc3xTRspxTkVf0O6mAA8bXTzBzi1DLi5kO3K0SV/z5rnXH3txn7lnd 23b5noAm6A+98OdEu+qUq1T8UyZ95bmJ9xr2zLTptffZzNlhcvcAr6btfKeFTFg6Db ngyeFB9wlBWqhys46EL7lm+/vYPASIiOBXA39GzRm0eZaoUIg5OlYVr6tYlqNOls61 sWzNKjKJj9QNWgK3j/XydgkqcZz53AeZx2bCQym+ZtC8bYU2e1kT5WcVF58JmONl6b nGWNGRO3SUJPA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [104.247.241.157]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E59C4120FBD; Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:43:56 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83leonzblf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Nov 2022 05:29:16 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299276 Archived-At: >> >> And if you think many do, why not clone the repository directly into >> >> ~/.emacs.d/elpa/? >> > >> > Because that won't take care of scraping for autoloads, byte >> > compilation and installing missing dependencies. >> >> Also because packages in there are expected to be installed under the >> - directory, whereas when installing from Git a package >> will be updated in place so its version number will keep changing, and >> it would be inconvenient to rename its directory every time. > > Then how about removing that requirement for packages installed > directly from their upstream repositories? Not sure what would be the benefit. I personally like the distinction between `~/.emacs.d/elpa` (for packages that are installed as "black boxes") and those installed from Git which are stored in a "regular" location (i.e. where I keep my source code rather than my config). The downside would be increased mutual dependency between the package-vc and package-nonvc code. Stefan