From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:31:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pru8enjx.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <8763vy95a6.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87wsoc39i8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <877igb7dsi.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87hcff5upc.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87fxuxsg3m.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87r6egp8oo.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <47D86DC6.4080805@gmail.com> <47D88B17.7000004@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205375551 31815 80.91.229.12 (13 Mar 2008 02:32:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 13 03:32:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JZdFY-0001qR-3h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:32:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZdEz-00059c-74 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZdEv-00059P-E4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:32:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZdEt-00058v-Vs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:32:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZdEt-00058q-SY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from 206-248-156-21.dsl.teksavvy.com ([206.248.156.21] helo=ceviche.home) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZdEm-0000j2-Q5; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:32:09 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B2EFEB4055; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:31:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <47D88B17.7000004@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:01:59 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Greylist: delayed 2394 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:32:08 EDT X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92357 Archived-At: >>>> AFAICT, the approach I proposed where most/all the movement commands get >>>> changed to call a special function in the interactive spec wouldn't >>>> suffer from any such problems. I think it's the best approach so far. >> >>> I can not see what the advantage with an interactive spec over a property on >>> the function name is. Could you please tell? >> >> Very simple: no magic, no pre/post-command-hook. > Why is an interactive spec less magic than the property on a function name? > To the end user (non-lisper) it could be equally visible, or? The property is irrelevant. The relevant problem is the code that uses those properties which is placed on pre/post-command-hook. > The pre-pre/post-post-command-hook I proposed has nothing to do with this, > or? (I believe such a hook could be used for other emulations too, > like Viper.) Such a proposal is just making things worse. Stefan