From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: translation-table-for-input Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:27:39 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1234535612 692 80.91.229.12 (13 Feb 2009 14:33:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: handa@m17n.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 13 15:34:47 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LXz7m-0000Jt-35 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:34:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45968 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LXz6S-0004aq-6n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:33:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LXz18-0002JJ-PP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:27:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LXz17-0002IY-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:27:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53894 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LXz16-0002IQ-Po for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:27:44 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:1586 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LXz14-0001UD-7X; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:27:42 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah0FALcSlUlLd+Q0/2dsb2JhbACBbtEChBgGgyw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,202,1233550800"; d="scan'208";a="33837505" Original-Received: from 75-119-228-52.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.228.52]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2009 09:27:40 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0EFF684C5; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:27:39 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:38:54 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109041 Archived-At: > > > I ended up removing the make-obsolete-variable call for > > > translation-table-for-input, and instead added a blurb to its doc > > > string to discourage its use for unification purposes. > > Please don't. > Too late, it's done. I know. What I meant was "please revert it". >> The "obsolete" thingy mostly means "slated for removal", AFAIC. So, >> yes, it is "obsolete" because I plan to remove it altogether. > Declaring something obsolete requires that we name which other feature > to use in its stead. Do we have such an alternative in place? Just as with make-local-hook, the replacement is to not put anything at all, because the trasnlation is now automatically done. >> > Its use for character code unification is obsolete, but otherwise >> > having a possibility to translate the output of an input method is >> > a valuable feature. >> I see no such evidence. > My evidence is that there's no alternative to translating the output > of an input method. That's not an evidence that it's "valuable". The absence of any code that uses that feature tells me it's not valuable. Stefan