From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visual bell patch for emacs on OSX Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:21:14 -0500 Message-ID: References: <874n688ih2.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387376501 32404 80.91.229.3 (18 Dec 2013 14:21:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jan =?windows-1252?Q?Dj=E4rv?= , =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= , emacs-devel To: Bozhidar Batsov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 18 15:21:46 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VtI0P-0008J9-LL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:21:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38971 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtI0N-0006IT-0M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:21:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45493) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtI0D-0006IA-E1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:21:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtI03-0001SO-UF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:21:33 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:58919) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtI03-0001SC-PF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:21:23 -0500 Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id rBIELF3Z001886; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:21:16 -0500 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A80D0AE5B7; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:21:14 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Bozhidar Batsov's message of "Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:52:58 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4796=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9362 : core <4796> : inlines <334> : streams <1092902> : uri <1627993> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166582 Archived-At: > Seems to me that GNUStep is killing the user experience of the people that > are actually using the NS port. WTF? How do you get to this conclusion? The OP has already been told that it's perfectly OK to just ifdef out the NS-only code. > Maybe this is a policy worth revisiting for the sake of the people > that use the NS port? People who use the NS port and aren't satisfied with it should start contributing code, because we really don't have nearly enough contributors. As Jan pointed out, a non-negligible fraction of bugs fixed in the NS code are due to Jan who could only do that thanks to the GNUstep support, so claiming that the GNUstep support is killing the NS port is ridiculous. Stefan