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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: forward-comment and syntax-ppss
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 08:12:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv8trchy04.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e3a5f1b-2bd6-4223-bcb0-790be47d52ab@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 19 Dec 2016 04:31:28 +0200")

> - Likewise for M-x imenu and any similar facilities. Keep widening to the
> commands, or some high level code that is not major
> mode-specific. font-lock-default-fontify-region is a counter-example of
> sorts, but it works for mmm-mode because of font-lock-dont-widen.

But that means any command which somewhere internally uses syntax-ppss
would need to widen?  So any change which introduces a new call to
syntax-ppss would imply revising all callers of this code and all
callers of those callers (etc...) to make sure they widen?

What if they don't want to widen because they're commands which *should*
limit themselves to the narrowed region?

That seems to presume that narrowing is only used for multi-mode kind of
contexts, which currently is the exception rather than the rule.

I think the core of the problem is the use of narrowing for widely
different purposes, so indeed we should decide that some of those uses
are simply inappropriate and provided something else for those uses.

But I think the case "user-level narrow for Q&R" is hard to replace
reliably, so I'd rather keep narrowing for *that* purpose, and try to
introduce something else for the other uses (e.g. for multi-mode).


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-19 13:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 299+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-28 19:50 Preview: portable dumper Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 19:58 ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:11   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:14   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:16     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:20   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:22     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:26       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:31         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:37           ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:44             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:02               ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-11-29 17:58                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:48               ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-29 17:32                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:55                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-29 17:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 17:49                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 18:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 18:03                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 18:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 18:49                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:02                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  9:18                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-01 18:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  4:28                             ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-02  4:41                               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02  8:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  8:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 17:24                                 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-28 20:39           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:34         ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:21   ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-28 20:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:47       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 21:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 21:55           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 22:18           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 18:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 19:11               ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 20:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:29                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 20:36                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 21:30                       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30  8:26                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-29 19:12               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:55   ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-29 18:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 19:03       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:28           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 19:13       ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 19:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:54           ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 16:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-30 18:57               ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 19:14                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:03                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 21:06                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 21:44                       ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  3:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  9:16                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01 17:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01 17:35                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01 17:58                             ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 21:35                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:44                       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 21:50                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 22:20                           ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  1:37                           ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01  1:45                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  3:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  4:10                             ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  4:12                               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  4:49                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  5:12                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  9:03                                     ` Matt Armstrong
2016-12-02  8:10                                       ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  9:18                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-01  4:10                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  3:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-30 19:29                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-30 19:45                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:06               ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01  9:18       ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-01 18:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  2:18           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02  7:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  8:08               ` John Wiegley
2016-12-02  8:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 19:39                   ` John Wiegley
2016-12-02 20:11                     ` Karl Fogel
2016-12-02 21:22                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 22:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 23:15                         ` Karl Fogel
2016-12-15 14:28                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-10-18 23:36                           ` Kaushal Modi
2017-10-19 10:12                             ` Jeremie Courreges-Anglas
2018-02-12 20:18                               ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-13 16:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-14 21:03                                   ` Philipp Stephani
2018-02-15  0:42                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 23:31                                   ` Ken Brown
2018-02-15 23:36                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16  1:56                                       ` Ken Brown
2018-02-16  2:36                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-17 23:38                                           ` Ken Brown
2018-02-17 23:59                                             ` Ken Brown
2018-02-18  0:02                                             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 13:30                                               ` Ken Brown
2018-02-19 17:03                                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 22:33                                                   ` Ken Brown
2018-02-20 16:32                                                     ` Ken Brown
2018-02-20 17:23                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20  1:16                                                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-17  1:01                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-19 17:06                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 22:00                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-17 11:53                                   ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-02-17 12:09                                     ` Alan Third
2018-02-17 14:12                                       ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-02-20  0:54                                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-15  4:28                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-15 22:13                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 22:30                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 22:35                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 22:56                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 22:35                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 18:34                                 ` andres.ramirez
2018-02-19 22:01                                 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-02-20  0:28                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 22:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 22:28                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03  8:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03  9:34                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 12:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 14:36                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-03 15:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 12:20                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-04 12:48                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-04 15:53                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 17:36                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 17:40                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-03 21:09                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03 21:31                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04  4:25                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-04 12:34                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-04 12:51                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-04 14:08                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-04 15:22                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-04 22:24                                             ` forward-comment and syntax-ppss (was: Preview: portable dumper) Stefan Monnier
2016-12-06 19:55                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-06 22:56                                                 ` forward-comment and syntax-ppss Stefan Monnier
2016-12-07  6:55                                                   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-07 14:01                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-07 14:49                                                       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-07 14:53                                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-07 22:04                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-07 22:23                                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08 19:31                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-08 19:54                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-09  8:37                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-08  2:32                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-08 20:15                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-08 20:34                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08 21:25                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-08 21:35                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-08 21:13                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-09 18:00                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-09 18:47                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-09 22:33                                                                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-09 23:09                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-10  6:56                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-10 18:39                                                                       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-08 21:24                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-08 21:47                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-09  7:39                                                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-09 19:07                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-09 23:30                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-11  0:24                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-11 10:17                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-11 10:40                                                                         ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-16  1:33                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16  2:06                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2016-12-16  8:12                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-16 12:32                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 16:22                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-12-16 19:14                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17  0:08                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 19:25                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-16 20:06                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17  0:42                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-17  1:30                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17  1:40                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-17  2:26                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17 14:37                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-16 14:24                                                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-16 16:22                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-12-16 19:50                                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17  2:39                                                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-17  4:50                                                                                       ` Wording of the Elisp manuals (was: forward-comment and syntax-ppss) Marcin Borkowski
2016-12-20  9:22                                                                                         ` Wording of the Elisp manuals Michael Heerdegen
2016-12-20 10:52                                                                                         ` Wording of the Elisp manuals (was: forward-comment and syntax-ppss) Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-12-20 16:01                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                             ` <<83oa0c8f7r.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-12-16 16:22                                                                               ` forward-comment and syntax-ppss Drew Adams
2016-12-16 21:00                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <<8337hn8u81.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-12-16 20:06                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-16 22:08                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 23:08                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-17  0:18                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-17  7:37                                                                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-12-17  7:42                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-17 14:41                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-17 14:49                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-17 15:09                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-18 20:08                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-02-05 23:33                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17 15:38                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-19  2:31                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-19 13:12                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2016-12-19 13:34                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-19 14:17                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-19 23:16                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-20 13:33                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-29 23:48                                                                                                     ` multi-modes and widen (again), was: " Dmitry Gutov
2017-11-30 13:05                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 23:57                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-12-09  8:35                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-09 17:08                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-09 17:22                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-09 21:55                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 21:31                                   ` Preview: portable dumper Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 12:41                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-03 17:41                                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-03 19:49                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 21:30                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04  3:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 23:03                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 17:24                               ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-03 15:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03 21:31                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 23:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-02 22:29                         ` John Wiegley
2016-12-03 21:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 15:57                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 17:12                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04 23:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-05  0:24                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-06 10:38                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-12-02  9:00               ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-12-02 10:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-26 19:48                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-05-26 20:26                     ` Kaushal Modi
2017-05-27  7:27                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2016-12-02 13:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02 14:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 14:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02 22:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-02 23:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03  8:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 23:42                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-02 15:38                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 17:26                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-02 17:47                     ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]                   ` <<jwvlgvyv10x.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org>
     [not found]                     ` <<E1cCwGF-0002PT-Kq@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-12-03  0:07                       ` Drew Adams
2016-12-03  8:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 20:40                           ` Joost Kremers
2016-12-03 21:30                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                   ` <<<jwvlgvyv10x.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org>
     [not found]                     ` <<<E1cCwGF-0002PT-Kq@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                       ` <<2b63d48d-a678-49c2-a3a9-4f91d8d8bdb4@default>
     [not found]                         ` <<8337i5mnb5.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-12-03 16:14                           ` Drew Adams
2016-12-03 16:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 14:27           ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-28 21:14 ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-28 23:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-28 23:17   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 13:06     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-29 21:19       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 21:35         ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 21:50           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 22:01             ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30  0:37               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30  7:35                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 13:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-30 20:07               ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-30 20:18                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 21:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 21:37                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04 23:03                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 21:54                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 22:01           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-29 22:22           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-11-29 22:34             ` Paul Eggert

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