From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some ideas with Emacs Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:20:12 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87d0dbszjn.fsf@mbork.pl> <8736e4titj.fsf@mbork.pl> <871rtoti9w.fsf@mbork.pl> <87v9qysxbb.fsf@mbork.pl> <87lfrusaxu.fsf@mbork.pl> <87fti2s7dx.fsf@mbork.pl> <878snus50l.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="154386"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: VanL , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 03 01:21:27 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ibvwT-000dzq-26 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 01:21:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46074 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ibvwR-0001kF-38 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:21:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45053) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ibvvS-0001iH-Vv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:20:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ibvvP-0007Wz-3S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:20:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:47841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ibvvO-0007UB-Pw; Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:20:18 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C382544A543; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:20:16 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5B8E644A537; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:20:15 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1575332415; bh=4MjcB9ijXrP2y1SH6+wXa6R/bL5qh7YLhZajlQPDMeY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ddOAYX9qXEtJhB1GkvWnlumG3rKj30MI+VWwa8AgCyVyK446Vj0yAeK6ww6GaLYv7 OaOxdktcbI5rNaXj3/HKx5JqRm+iw6InkxHsWDR1/WBlXwoEx2r0psXnpASN/1ydYm PXkoYMvCqv+1ybD3GSE3X13XioZJpvEJM8g3VgNMorIU7Xs1MRxG7eyxK7X22VoPv7 bf9Zkci09yCUITtc3fAbyOqME9WCaBPpJJj2PppjxXlv9YatVPyJB7OIw3BhwokxXj N2WTuVmSGFFQ39zTVKaRTdRsBkTUM5qAbpTsFma0Y9z/tFavzJyXTznaepVJg1n6I/ ZgAD+9D6EIXwg== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.134.213]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B80D12120B; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:20:15 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <878snus50l.fsf@mbork.pl> (Marcin Borkowski's message of "Tue, 03 Dec 2019 00:04:58 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243027 Archived-At: > OK. Does that mean that you only recommend "free" books to anyone? Not exactly, no, but when there are Free books available, I'll usually refrain from mentioning others in the same area. >> E.g. I could accept a license which states that any derivative work >> (translation or otherwise) needs to use a different title and/or clearly >> say not only that it's a derivative of your work but also that it is not >> your work. Or something along these lines. > That sounds fairly reasonable to me, I guess. Does GFDL work this way? I don't think so, but I'm not sure. Maybe the invariant section can be used for that. I do vaguely remember some software using a license along those lines which said that any derivative had to use another name (TeX, maybe?). In some cases you can probably get similar results with a trademark, which seems to match the underlying intention of being able to protect your reputation. > I'm wondering whether there is some middle ground between CC-ND and GFDL > here. For instance, one of the ideas I have would be to release a book > under a strict license, disallowing even copying verbatim, then under > CC-ND-something after, say, 3-5 years, and then GFDL after another 3-5 > years. This looks pretty fair to me. Along the lines of the Ghostscript system which used to release 1-year old versions under the GPL while keeping the bleeding edge proprietary, IIRC. Stefan